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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the

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Rendlesham forest incident

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it doesn't involve aliens at all it was

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completely silent it comes right over

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our head it's so toxic science also

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really standing in the Clery he turned

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over to my father held his hand and he

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looked in his eyes they said we're not

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one of my earliest guests that I ever

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had on my show here Mac Maloney and he

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does a great show called military

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x-files he's an author very interesting

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guy should be a great great show

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Alejandro Rojas is coming up in just a

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of you was scratching your head wasn't

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think it's called on Friday nights at 6

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6 p.m. and that's a full show on that as

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well so that's it for me we have some

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things to talk about and I have my good

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friend here Alejandro Rojas how are you

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I am doing well how are you great great

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so yeah I guess we both watched that

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that thing going on today I watched it

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for awhile without audio and I saw you

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had a yeah

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I'm sure you're gonna be talking about

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that a little bit Tom DeLonge yeah it

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has been Tom DeLonge day the first thing

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though I want to talk about before I

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forget cuz this is good news - is that

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documentary Jeremy corbels latest

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documentary patient 17

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it's about alien abduction and the

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removal doctor Roger Leir removing an

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implant and this is important just

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because it's getting so much place so

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it's the distributions great it's on

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iTunes right now I guess it's gonna be

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on Netflix and then some other places so

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a lot of distributors are ramping up and

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showing it and so it's gonna get a lot

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of exposure to the whole alien implant

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phenomena which is a strange one I mean

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to be honest I'm still kind of out on

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the fence on this one but if there's

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anything you know this documentary

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definitely has the most compelling

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information when it comes to this

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phenomena so much so that it convinced

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your Emmy Korbel that there's something

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here so yeah that's the first piece of

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news I wanted to get out there before we

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get into Tom DeLonge now didn't I see

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that Jeremy

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Jeremy's movie at your the UFO Congress

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didn't we see the whole thing there no

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actually it's good you brought that up

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that was 20 minutes show a 20 minute

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clip and essentially it was a short that

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he did and and this new thing is

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expanding on that by an hour or so so

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it's a full length thing I think so

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there's a lot more in this new piece

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which is great because with that 20

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minute piece some people did feel like

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they were left wanting you know

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a lot more information and so they're

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getting it in this full piece yeah yeah

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yeah I do remember that was that was

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quite compelling about mm-hmm that that

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guy that he was like a skeptical person

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to begin with exactly that's that yeah

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yeah you're right and that's what's

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really interesting about this I guess

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the guys even still skeptical that you

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know what Roger Lee removed from his his

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leg even had anything to do with what is

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a abduction experience but this is not a

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typical kind of alleged abductee he's a

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very grounded person he's not the type

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of person yeah if you looked at this guy

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you know and if you knew him I would

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feel right off the bat that this is

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probably someone who thinks all of this

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is total BS yeah but and that's what

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makes him a really credible person and

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makes us even more compelling right

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right leg even had anything to do with

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so Tom DeLonge let's get into the

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average because that's been a crazy

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couple of days even for me I've been on

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the phone with the lung and his people

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quite a bit the last couple of days

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leading up to this and then in the

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aftermath and I think it's really

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interesting there's a ton of negativity

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out there and in a way that's a bit

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depressing leslie gain and I were just

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messaging back and forth with each other

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about that and it really you know it's

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one of those moments where it's like you

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know what I don't want to even deal with

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you UFO field you're just never happy

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just complain complain and whine and

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whine and that's all we hear and it and

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that's a bit frustrating although on one

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hand I can see it a little bit

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it's about expectations that's what it's

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all about I think well and I agree and I

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guess that's one of the reasons why I

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have a harder time sympathizing with

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those people because I come from a more

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sceptic skeptical and kind of cynical

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perspective and when we gave him the

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researcher of the Year award at the UFO

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Congress it was not for what he claims

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he's going to do in the future it was

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for what he had done that year which was

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to meet with these very high-level

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officials and to talk with them about

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the UFO topic

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which opens things up I think that sort

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of thing is really important I'm always

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skeptical about what may or may not be

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coming in the future because you never

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know what's gonna come and often when we

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get promises we're let down so I guess

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that's partially why I didn't feel so

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let down cuz I wasn't expecting anything

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big and I maybe I shouldn't it may be

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you know I just feel like if you were

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expecting some sort of big government

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disclosure that's just not how the real

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world works so but what's cool about

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this and I guess what's got me excited

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is that even though Tom DeLonge of

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course he's really into a lot of this

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stuff very enthusiastic he has personal

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beliefs that a lot of things are going

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on the people that he has gathered

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together in this new company called to

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the stars Academy are very very

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impressive I wrote a story about a lot

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of them leslie kane wrote a very great

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story on the huffington post and i

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summarized her story and then added some

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background and my personal interview

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with one of these guys and the and a

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little bit of information that I've

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gotten from Tom but one of the most

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exciting people among this group is this

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guy Louis Elizondo and he worked for the

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Department of Defense on a program to

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study anomalous aerial threat or he also

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calls it unidentified aerial threat and

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he he essentially says that's what you

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think it is

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that's UFOs and that he felt that

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there's something really important

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there's something unexplained he didn't

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feel he says if we feel something as

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unidentified we call it a threat until

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we can I prove otherwise but what he

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discovered is that these things

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exhibited technology that we don't have

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while he's working for the DoD looking

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at this stuff so this is important

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because of course the government has

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said that they've been out of the UFO

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business obviously we know that the

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evidence is shown otherwise but this

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proves it here's a guy coming out and

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saying look I looked at these things

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they are unidentified they're mysterious

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and essentially he said

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that I don't want to do this behind

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closed doors anymore with the government

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because of the bureaucracy it really

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doesn't go anywhere instead I want to do

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this in out in the open with a bunch of

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individuals where we can hopefully

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develop technologies based off of the

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technology that we're seeing

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demonstrated here so that's a big deal

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the other people that are part of this

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group Chris Mellon is one of them who

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worked for the CIA he worked for defense

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intelligence he's had a very a lot of

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very high-level jobs he's retired now

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he's actually been in an article he kind

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of had a coming out article that Leslie

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Kane had written about where he talked

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about how UFOs are a real thing and he's

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very interested in them in the press

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conference this morning he covered a

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really great case from the Navy

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essentially where it's yeah the USS

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Nimitz case where they had seen this

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George Knapp is calling it a tic tac

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shaped object you know a no longer take

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kind of white object and that these jets

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had chased it and everything a great

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case and I did post a transcript to the

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entire event so people can see that at

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open mind sat TV but the guy I talked to

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who is also very interesting is Jim Jim

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semi van and he has spent 25 years a

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whole career in the CIA also he's worked

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for the Department the National

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clandestine Department I mean he's done

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some very tops top-secret stuff and what

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I wanted to know is why you know if

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you're 25 years in the CIA what do you

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do and why are you doing this and his

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answers were great I talked to him

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actually at length and he's a really

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cool guy

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essentially he's saying that the

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government people in the government are

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much like us in fact he's saying a lot

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of very similar things to what John

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Alexander says and people have had

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experiences people have talked to their

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friends there's a lot of people in

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government who believe in UFOs and other

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mysteries and he's like I'm one of these

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people

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and we haven't had any ability to really

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look into any of this stuff in any

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official capacity we haven't gone

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anywhere with it and he want that's what

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he wants to do he said once he met Tom

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and Tom had these similar interests he

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said this is what we need to do we need

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to start an organization where we can

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essentially do like space X that was

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their model SpaceX has gone on to do all

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of these cool things outside of NASA and

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they're already becoming more and more

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miles ahead of NASA I mean if it wasn't

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for SpaceX we wouldn't be able to

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deliver anything to the ISS I have to

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rely on SpaceX so they want to do that

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they figured the same thing if we're

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gonna develop technologies or even

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understand the this phenomena primarily

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UFOs but they also have interests in

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telepathy and ESP and all of these other

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things free energy type devices if we're

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gonna actually do something along these

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lines we're gonna have to take this and

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out into the private sector and do this

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on our own and and that's been his

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motivation he says I'm 65 and retired

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I've only got 15 years maybe he left and

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this is what I want to spend the rest of

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my life doing and he does make the point

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that this is not for money for any of

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them

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this is a public benefit company they've

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created so you can buy stocks and shares

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and you can get involved as an investor

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and the public benefit thing is it's a

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different type of company where you have

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to spend more of your profits on the

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company itself and as part of that on

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our story also you have a link to what's

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called the offering circular which tells

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you all about the company the entire all

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the information about the makeup of the

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company and in that you see that these

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guys aren't really taking salaries that

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there's there's very little when it

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comes to salaries it's more about you

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know just getting money to fund these

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projects and what they want to do and

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what they want to rely on people like me

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and you and others in this community is

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to find people who are working on

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research projects then to fund those

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projects to try to discover more about

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all of what's going on here it's kind of

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Bigelow - oh but even bigger and better

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in that these are more high-level

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credible people not that Bigelow didn't

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have that but these are people with real

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insight they're insiders and they have a

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lot of access and it's more public it's

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more partially because of the internet

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but it's more public interfacing than

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than ever before so I personally am

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really excited about this I think people

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need to read that transcript read who

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these people are and what they're saying

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because this the group of people coming

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out and talking about what they're

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talking about has not happened in this

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field before like this so if that's a

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big deal I'm sorry that you know Tom

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DeLonge didn't have Trump come onstage

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and say we're being invaded by aliens

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and we're being abducted and all this

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crazy other stuff but what they did say

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is better because it's not as

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frightening as all of that and it gives

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us hope for this field I think yeah

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besides he tweeted anyway so you know

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yeah let's let's address some of the the

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negativity a little bit okay here you

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know for instance in the chat room you

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know someone wrote having a hard time

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figuring out why people think DeLong is

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doing anything other than making money

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I'm sure that's that's par for some of

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the typical comments that youyou are

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talking about I know but you know and

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and with all due respect it's an

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ignorant statement and I know that's

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strong wording but it's true I mean that

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means that you have not gone through and

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read what they're doing or trying to do

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because if you if you read what they're

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doing that you can I like I said read

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all about the corporation and where that

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you can also mean there's just you

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haven't done your research if that's how

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you feel and I think that you need to do

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that research and Leslie's provided

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information two stories one yesterday

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one today I provided information and the

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group themselves to the stars if you go

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to their website there's an abundance of

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information to show that

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these guys don't need money Tom Donna

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long does not need your money the way

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they're gonna make money is through

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other ventures such as the entertainment

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industry and the entertainment things

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that he does he's going to be channeling

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that money to this organization so what

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about some of the other things you've

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heard that you think are wrong wrongly

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quoted well I think that you know that

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this has all been done before or that

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that's definitely one that these guys

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are still employed by the government

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that's that's about the misinformation

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thing I've heard that one that Tom's out

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there has given misinformation to spread

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it you know he's been given

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misinformation to you know to muddy up

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the waters I'm sure no word that money I

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have heard that one and you know to be

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honest that one there are a lot of

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things that tom is saying that are not

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what these other guys are saying they're

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not certainly all on the same page and

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Tom seems to even have or feels he has

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insider information that goes beyond and

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above these people that he's created his

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company with and I it's entirely

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possible I think though that he could be

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getting wrong information read either

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purposely or not he could be getting

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information from people he trusts who

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genuinely believe these things and

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they're just not accurate or he could

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have an inside track on all of us I

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don't know that's a that that argument I

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could still see why people would be

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disappointed or frustrated about that

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and not maybe qualifying all of those

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statements that have been made I

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certainly could see that so I guess if

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you're looking and I should give those

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people if you're looking at the glass

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half-empty type of angle there there's a

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lot of emptiness there that you can

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complain about but on the other side it

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is if you take a step back and look at

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the net gain here it is more than we

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had before mm-hmm now I I tuned into it

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this morning

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and I couldn't get the sound to work for

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the life of me well you know there was a

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problem with the website the embed they

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had their first of all it wasn't showing

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completely right and then someone had

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found out you had to right-click and

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unmute cuz some reason it was

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automatically muted but luckily the live

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stream on Facebook was really good and

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then we posted that on our site too and

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and those were working fine but the site

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yeah yeah that's where I finally got to

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the after communicating with a bunch of

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people I finally got to the Facebook

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site and then then I watched it over

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afterwards but yeah you know be what it

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may be to some people I think it's it's

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possibly a move in the right direction

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I liked listening to what some of the

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people said some of the people you

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mentioned how put off was interesting

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he's always an interesting character and

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yeah then also if you read the website

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there are a number of people that are

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getting involved in this that have great

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backgrounds so you know it's more along

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the lines of at least some people in

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science are taking this more seriously

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it's gearing toward that well I think a

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lot of us like Leslie and I for instance

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and some of these others who know some

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of these people who are involved for

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instance Chris Mullins part of the UFO

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data group how put off has been or you

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know working on this stuff for quite a

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while it's exciting for us because we

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know these people that we know that

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they're credible in their hearts in the

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right place and that they're the type of

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people to get stuff done so I think for

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as those who roll up their sleeves and

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they're in the muck trying to do stuff

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on a daily basis and doing research and

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investigation and those who are

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professional and I think that's a really

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important aspect of professionals that

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this is a good thing because this is

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another highly professional organization

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and I've said for years we've talked

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about this there could be a study there

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needs to be a study of UFOs you know a a

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credible scientific group and I think

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this could be it and I think just like

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for the search for alien

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life layered the SETI's been I mean

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steady has brought that topic to the

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forefront and now it's a very credible

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serious thing I think if you have the

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right organization in the right group of

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people like we have here that that could

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be done with with the topic that we all

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care so much about as well yeah good

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point good point well we ran a little

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long you may have some other things to

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talk about but we'll probably have to

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catch up next week okay sounds good all

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right all right hey thanks so much and

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I'll talk to you next week all right

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talk to you later

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all right bye bye bye all right so our

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guest our guest is Mack Maloney and I

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met him you know I think it was five

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have I been doing this show five years I

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think going on six something like that

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anyway I met him he's uh he's got that

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great Boston accent and and I met him in

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Newburyport and I did an on-site show

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with him and yeah we're sort of

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neighbors in a way Mac how are you good

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how are you doing good good to see you

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good yes and so you have been doing your

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military's x-files now for how long has

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that been Wow it's been about the three

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or four years I guess uh-huh doesn't

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seem that long but yeah we've been doing

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it for quite a while now yeah yeah and

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I've actually listened to some of those

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shows and I'll never forget I have to

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talk about this the guy that started

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screaming and yelling at you do you

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remember who that was which one would

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that be I mean there was a number of

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them it was a guy that was pronounce his

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name wrong I think like that yeah but

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but he was kind of a lunatic but I'm

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telling you you hung in there with him

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and I is that ringing bells now do you

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know who was it the one that there was

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one guy who accused me of even a Mossad

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agent an agent for Israel because we

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were challenging him on 9/11 we've had

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people who claim to you know have proof

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of that you know the government is

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dropping stuff on us that they look at

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contrails and they think they're

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chemtrails we had a big guy

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when over that one night yeah so there's

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many to pick from there no this is a

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very elderly man very very elderly oh

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that was um Oh friend from NASA there uh

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yeah he's the guy who oh yeah we

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probably shouldn't mentioned his name on

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the air buddy he's a guy who works at

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NASA he claimed that he saw a 11-foot

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alien in the cargo bay of a shuttle yeah

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and Wow he kind of went on from there

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yeah he was an interesting character

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yeah yeah excellent all right so you've

541
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,220
written books and I think when we first

542
00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:51,120
met you had just written your first

543
00:22:59,760 --> 00:22:54,760
nonfiction UFO book right and well right

544
00:23:03,150 --> 00:22:59,770
that UFOs in one time it's just accounts

545
00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:03,160
of people seeing lots of UFOs well in

546
00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:06,430
one time just had this idea you know for

547
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:08,590
a long time it just seemed like any I

548
00:23:13,950 --> 00:23:11,050
have read all kinds of UFO votes even as

549
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:13,960
a kid and it just seemed like people

550
00:23:19,020 --> 00:23:16,960
were seeing UFOs a lot when there was

551
00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:19,030
some kind of a wall going on and so we

552
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:20,260
looked into it a little bit and it went

553
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:21,850
all the way back to Alexander the Great

554
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:23,650
and you go right through all of history

555
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:26,170
and sure enough it just seems I think we

556
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:27,490
make a pretty good case for earth for

557
00:23:33,210 --> 00:23:29,890
whatever reason that people see more

558
00:23:36,990 --> 00:23:33,220
UFOs in times of war than during

559
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,000
peacetime yeah and you know there's some

560
00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:39,520
theories that I have heard about that

561
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:42,220
and one of them being you know time

562
00:23:48,780 --> 00:23:43,810
travel that someone's you know going

563
00:23:50,610 --> 00:23:48,790
back trying to find trying to find you

564
00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:50,620
know a certain situation so they can

565
00:23:54,540 --> 00:23:53,080
capture it and be an eyewitness to it it

566
00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:54,550
was that part of your book too

567
00:23:59,250 --> 00:23:57,190
well we talked about it you know as if

568
00:24:01,320 --> 00:23:59,260
these people might be you know people

569
00:24:03,570 --> 00:24:01,330
whatever it might be simply something as

570
00:24:05,580 --> 00:24:03,580
time tourists from our future time

571
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:05,590
tourists yeah yep come back to see

572
00:24:09,210 --> 00:24:06,910
history being made

573
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:09,220
there's a few interesting things that

574
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:10,930
kind of go along with that in that you

575
00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:15,760
know we have stories and of you know

576
00:24:21,090 --> 00:24:17,080
British mom is in the middle of the

577
00:24:23,550 --> 00:24:21,100
night bombing some German city in the in

578
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:23,560
World War two and and all of a sudden

579
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:25,090
you know they would see these crafts

580
00:24:28,270 --> 00:24:27,010
riding right off of their wing you know

581
00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:28,280
just

582
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:34,100
if they were observing them and lots of

583
00:24:38,770 --> 00:24:35,810
people saw them they'll call Foo

584
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,780
Fighters back then but um there's no

585
00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:40,400
evidence at all that any of them ever

586
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:44,150
shot at our planes shot at anybody then

587
00:24:48,610 --> 00:24:45,530
you know the Germans at the end of the

588
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:48,620
law the dream has told us us being the

589
00:24:51,910 --> 00:24:50,330
allies you know we thought these they

590
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:51,920
saw them too and they said we thought

591
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:53,330
they were your secret weapons and we

592
00:24:58,270 --> 00:24:54,530
said to the Germans we thought they

593
00:25:01,960 --> 00:24:58,280
would see good weapons so but there was

594
00:25:03,790 --> 00:25:01,970
no case of them shooting at anybody I

595
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,800
know there isn't there isn't

596
00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:05,840
lots of people out there you don't want

597
00:25:10,570 --> 00:25:07,780
to believe that the Nazis had help from

598
00:25:13,390 --> 00:25:10,580
aliens and so on and that you know UFO

599
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:13,400
shot down b-17s and stuff like that and

600
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,250
then that none of that is true but I

601
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:18,320
think just the fact that these things

602
00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:21,770
are kind of benevolent you know they

603
00:25:25,540 --> 00:25:23,270
just they're observing just kind of

604
00:25:27,580 --> 00:25:25,550
gives you that idea of you know that

605
00:25:30,130 --> 00:25:27,590
maybe they just want to see history

606
00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:30,140
being made did you ever have you ever

607
00:25:34,660 --> 00:25:32,990
had the opportunity to actually talk to

608
00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:34,670
anyone that's actually seen one of the

609
00:25:40,510 --> 00:25:36,500
Foo Fighters when you were doing your

610
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:40,520
research we know let me think then good

611
00:25:47,170 --> 00:25:44,170
question no we talked to people in

612
00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:47,180
Sweden about two interesting cases the

613
00:25:54,550 --> 00:25:50,750
ghost fliers of the early 1930s and then

614
00:25:57,010 --> 00:25:54,560
the ghost rockets of 1946 and those guys

615
00:25:59,380 --> 00:25:57,020
had talked to people who had seen the

616
00:26:03,670 --> 00:25:59,390
ghost rockets in 1946 that's the closest

617
00:26:06,670 --> 00:26:03,680
I can get to that but you know they very

618
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:06,680
detailed accounts of these ghost rockets

619
00:26:12,430 --> 00:26:09,110
over Sweden over all of Scandinavia in

620
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:12,440
1946 right after World War two ended and

621
00:26:15,460 --> 00:26:13,730
a lot of people thought that they might

622
00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:15,470
be German buzz bombs at the Russians

623
00:26:20,590 --> 00:26:17,150
somehow got ahold of them we're shooting

624
00:26:22,210 --> 00:26:20,600
at Sweden for some reason but they shut

625
00:26:23,470 --> 00:26:22,220
down that theory pretty quickly the

626
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:23,480
United States got involved because

627
00:26:29,170 --> 00:26:25,610
Sweden was a neutral country they asked

628
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:29,180
the British for radar and two gentlemen

629
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:32,570
duh Jimmy Doolittle who ran the 30

630
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:36,320
seconds over Tokyo raid and a gentleman

631
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:39,290
gentleman named Sarnoff went to on to

632
00:26:44,020 --> 00:26:41,810
create NBC they would called over there

633
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:44,030
commissioned by Truman to see what was

634
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:45,530
going on and all the evidence they saw

635
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:47,690
was that these things were not anything

636
00:26:52,330 --> 00:26:50,840
that they had ever encountered they look

637
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:52,340
more like cruise missiles than anything

638
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:55,250
else so that's the closest we came to

639
00:26:58,750 --> 00:26:57,170
talking to people who had direct contact

640
00:27:01,480 --> 00:26:58,760
we were once removed but still

641
00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:01,490
fascinating case right right yeah the

642
00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:03,980
ghost rockets are it's another thing

643
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:06,740
that is very intriguing me I've talked

644
00:27:12,910 --> 00:27:10,880
to class class Vaughn from Sweden really

645
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,920
interesting guy and they're like to him

646
00:27:16,030 --> 00:27:14,960
- yeah yeah he's great that guy oh he's

647
00:27:19,660 --> 00:27:16,040
wonderful yeah

648
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:19,670
and so but that there's still you know

649
00:27:25,150 --> 00:27:22,480
ongoing you know which is really amazing

650
00:27:27,850 --> 00:27:25,160
you know they're still ongoing sightings

651
00:27:30,580 --> 00:27:27,860
I think in the though they saw one crash

652
00:27:33,730 --> 00:27:30,590
in a lake like 20 years ago or something

653
00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:33,740
right yeah they had these it was the

654
00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:35,150
whole thing is really strange because

655
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:37,340
people would see them flying over as

656
00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:39,290
they say Sweden in other countries than

657
00:27:43,210 --> 00:27:41,480
Scandinavia and they would see them

658
00:27:46,390 --> 00:27:43,220
flying in formation two or three of them

659
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:46,400
flying inflammation and and they were

660
00:27:50,290 --> 00:27:48,770
picked up on radar and they were you

661
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:50,300
know picked up visually so it was like

662
00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:52,010
one of the first times that you had kind

663
00:27:57,220 --> 00:27:54,950
of evidence you know electronic evidence

664
00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:57,230
that something was up there but and then

665
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,450
and then there was a Swedish it was

666
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:02,480
pilot who rode alongside one for quite a

667
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,250
well and and his little drawing

668
00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:05,840
description matches the Tomahawk cruise

669
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:10,100
missile you know of these these days so

670
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:12,050
it was like when these things were

671
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:14,000
something seemed I don't know you know

672
00:28:19,270 --> 00:28:16,850
kind of the run time error or whatever

673
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:19,280
but as you say was very strange even

674
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,510
strange about these things is that they

675
00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:23,120
used to fall into lakes and then the

676
00:28:27,130 --> 00:28:25,070
Swedish Navy would go into the lakes and

677
00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:27,140
they would find no no wreckage they'd

678
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:28,760
have lots of witnesses saying we saw

679
00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:29,840
this thing go in the lake and by the

680
00:28:34,030 --> 00:28:30,830
time they get down there there was

681
00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:34,040
nothing there so very strange yeah the

682
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:36,230
ghost flies of 46 very they're not quite

683
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:38,090
ufos but there's something strange in

684
00:28:44,530 --> 00:28:41,360
the sky right right now from what I

685
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:44,540
understand going back to war time and

686
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:47,090
UFOs from what I understand doctor

687
00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:49,130
Richard Haines was doing some research

688
00:28:55,390 --> 00:28:54,470
for Vietnam and in Korea yeah and he was

689
00:28:58,510 --> 00:28:55,400
doing the work

690
00:29:00,540 --> 00:28:58,520
on Vietnam and he gave us a lot of

691
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:00,550
information on Korea Korea's very

692
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:03,410
interesting history in the very

693
00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:04,850
interesting chapter in the history of

694
00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:05,630
UFOs

695
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:08,270
what about Vietnam because uh I've said

696
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:10,610
a number of times on this show that

697
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:14,030
someone had taught an insurance agent

698
00:29:18,970 --> 00:29:16,250
that I had talked about investigating

699
00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:18,980
UFOs in Vietnam what does he have to say

700
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:21,020
about that was there a lot of activity

701
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:24,050
there as well yes it was you know and

702
00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:25,610
there's a very strange wall because

703
00:29:29,950 --> 00:29:27,260
there was just like a lot of different

704
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:29,960
stuff going on there you know a lot of

705
00:29:36,340 --> 00:29:33,200
drug use you know a lot of a lot of

706
00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:36,350
airplanes in aircrafts squeezed into a

707
00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:39,950
very small kind of area as Korea was but

708
00:29:46,270 --> 00:29:42,920
the most interesting story from Vietnam

709
00:29:48,990 --> 00:29:46,280
I can think of is the U is the HMS

710
00:29:51,730 --> 00:29:49,000
cobots story and basically real quick

711
00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:51,740
people started seeing picked up in a

712
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:53,929
raid on American radar these objects

713
00:29:58,150 --> 00:29:56,690
over the DMZ in Vietnam and people don't

714
00:30:00,190 --> 00:29:58,160
know that North Vietnam in South Vietnam

715
00:30:04,860 --> 00:30:00,200
at the time was separated by this thirty

716
00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:04,870
mile wide demilitarized on the DMZ and

717
00:30:09,549 --> 00:30:08,150
even though the climbing US had a lot of

718
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,559
troops and stuff in there we were always

719
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:11,600
fighting them in this place that you

720
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,970
were supposed to be fighting but anyway

721
00:30:17,140 --> 00:30:14,960
they started picking up all these

722
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:17,150
objects flying objects over there and

723
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:19,250
the Communists never really had like

724
00:30:24,580 --> 00:30:21,710
helicopters a helicopter gunships and

725
00:30:28,299 --> 00:30:24,590
stuff and that got the u.s. concerned so

726
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:28,309
they sent a squadron of f-15 thumbs-up

727
00:30:34,150 --> 00:30:31,809
to the DMZ and one night they saw these

728
00:30:36,790 --> 00:30:34,160
objects and they started chasing them

729
00:30:38,919 --> 00:30:36,800
now in the meantime the US military

730
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:38,929
commander over there had asked that any

731
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:42,110
allied ships in the area could you

732
00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:45,010
please patrol off of the DMZ because

733
00:30:50,049 --> 00:30:47,960
these Jets might be chasing out enemy

734
00:30:52,990 --> 00:30:50,059
helicopters is what they called them out

735
00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:53,000
over out over the Gulf of Tonkin and you

736
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:54,260
might pick them up as well

737
00:31:00,100 --> 00:30:57,650
so this chase did take place but the

738
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:00,110
pilots the American pilots they weren't

739
00:31:04,570 --> 00:31:02,450
chasing helicopters they were chasing

740
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:04,580
something that looked like a flying

741
00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:06,970
saucer and a number of them and so the

742
00:31:11,140 --> 00:31:09,080
f4 is fired on the fly

743
00:31:13,630 --> 00:31:11,150
sauces they missed them but they hit

744
00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:13,640
this Australian destroy the hobo and

745
00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:17,270
killed three sailors wounded about 30

746
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:19,790
more a lot of them had to be airlifted

747
00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:22,850
off of the destroyer brought onto land

748
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:24,920
to be traded treated by a US Navy burn

749
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:27,370
specialists a lot of people don't burnt

750
00:31:33,790 --> 00:31:31,850
they and the the US you admitted the

751
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:33,800
mistake and you know apologize for it

752
00:31:37,450 --> 00:31:36,290
but in the US papers they didn't mention

753
00:31:39,790 --> 00:31:37,460
that these things you know might have

754
00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:39,800
been chasing UFOs but in in Australia it

755
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:42,860
was a big big story this in 1968 Wow big

756
00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:44,210
story and then the whole but then they

757
00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:46,580
it never served again went back to

758
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:48,350
Austria and they sank and on purpose to

759
00:31:53,950 --> 00:31:50,690
be a like an unnatural reef you know

760
00:31:55,630 --> 00:31:53,960
yeah so um yeah that was a very strange

761
00:31:56,890 --> 00:31:55,640
story because just so many people were

762
00:32:00,760 --> 00:31:56,900
involved in it and there were a lot of

763
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:00,770
witnesses and again the nakamise did not

764
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:02,770
have like any kind of helicopters or

765
00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:04,910
helicopter gunships or any of that stuff

766
00:32:10,420 --> 00:32:08,390
in 1968 so yeah they were chasing the

767
00:32:13,330 --> 00:32:10,430
classic UFOs and it just led to this

768
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:13,340
tragedy on this Australian destroyer now

769
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:16,010
were you able to pull any like microfilm

770
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:18,890
or anything out of Australia are are is

771
00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:21,890
that on websites information it might be

772
00:32:25,510 --> 00:32:23,540
on websites now the only thing I saw was

773
00:32:27,790 --> 00:32:25,520
the headline we we didn't put in the

774
00:32:29,650 --> 00:32:27,800
book but as the headline saying it was

775
00:32:31,810 --> 00:32:29,660
the it was the return of the ho baat to

776
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:31,820
Australia people had been waiting for it

777
00:32:38,620 --> 00:32:35,600
to come home and they you know they

778
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,630
mentioned the UFO aspect and and then

779
00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:41,200
Mike anything else that died away but

780
00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:43,700
nothing that we could find in American

781
00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:47,000
papers had the flying saucer angle yeah

782
00:32:53,140 --> 00:32:49,070
wow that's interesting now I know you

783
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:53,150
also did a book on area 51 mm-hmm and

784
00:33:00,520 --> 00:32:57,290
area 51 yep and what beyond area 51 so

785
00:33:05,790 --> 00:33:00,530
what is the title and sin insinuate

786
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:05,800
actually we we collected a bunch of

787
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:09,710
stories about places like area 51 around

788
00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:11,510
the world and we didn't talk about area

789
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:15,460
51 at all but we talked about s4 and

790
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:19,850
that st. Louis Valley and attack is it s

791
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:21,690
for arrest oh I can never remember

792
00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:26,880
and I attack down in down in the

793
00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:30,270
Caribbean and then Nick Redfern help me

794
00:33:34,940 --> 00:33:31,680
with a chapter where we try to figure

795
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:34,950
out where the British area 51 is we talk

796
00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:37,970
about area 51 s in Russia and in China

797
00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:40,190
so it's really going around the world

798
00:33:47,030 --> 00:33:43,950
talking about places like area 51 how

799
00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:47,040
about that and I'm sure they're all

800
00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:52,020
mostly top secret as as area 51 is and

801
00:33:58,430 --> 00:33:54,560
protected they're all protected bases

802
00:34:01,760 --> 00:33:58,440
yeah if the the point that really came

803
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:01,770
across in this book was for me was that

804
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:06,450
a lot of these a lot of secret bases

805
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:09,419
around the world have UFO histories to

806
00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:12,510
them and you have to think wow what came

807
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:14,600
first the chicken or the egg you know

808
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:18,690
but it is just you know we can't come up

809
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,090
for any reason for it but it just seems

810
00:34:27,860 --> 00:34:24,060
like you picked some secret base like

811
00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:27,870
area 51 or rum different places in

812
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:30,030
Russia Kapusta gnyana is a place in

813
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:31,050
Russia which is kind of like a

814
00:34:36,740 --> 00:34:34,500
combination area 51 and kicking in Cape

815
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,750
Canaveral and they've had all kinds of

816
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:38,399
UFO sightings over there through the

817
00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:42,210
years and you know again do you you know

818
00:34:46,990 --> 00:34:44,790
add the UFOs are they attracted to

819
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:47,000
secret bases it just seems like they are

820
00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:50,370
so that for me made the book interesting

821
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:52,950
also a friend of mine who I've known

822
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:55,770
since grade school works for a company

823
00:35:02,750 --> 00:34:58,650
that works for the three-letter agencies

824
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:02,760
and he's on the show a lot and he well I

825
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:04,260
was writing this book every time I

826
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:06,510
finished a couple chapters I would send

827
00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:09,960
it to him just to see if I was getting

828
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:14,220
anything absolutely wrong and so he kind

829
00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:15,720
of vetted it for me and there was a few

830
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:17,460
cases and we put him right in the book

831
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:19,650
where you know he says nope you're going

832
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,090
in the wrong direction here but foremost

833
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:23,520
pod we were going in the right direction

834
00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:26,010
so I mean really bottom line is a lot of

835
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:27,900
secret bases around the world a lot of

836
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:29,700
them have UFO histories attached to them

837
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:33,330
right right and you know area 51 is a

838
00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:35,220
mystery you know there's

839
00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:39,990
of course the more the rumors flow with

840
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:43,080
area 51 the probably the more the people

841
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:45,570
that are involved in the security there

842
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,210
like it you know I mean they probably

843
00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:50,400
think you know it's they're probably

844
00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:51,750
laughing at some of the stories that

845
00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:54,270
come out of about area 51

846
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:56,310
you know people seeing alien bodies and

847
00:36:02,510 --> 00:35:58,200
I mean that's true the number one thing

848
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:02,520
you know right it probably actually aids

849
00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:04,710
them in a way as far as keeping things

850
00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:07,950
secret they're the real things there's a

851
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,099
base about 70 miles north of area 51

852
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:14,640
which is much more secret than area 51

853
00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:18,000
it's called Tonopah if F was base and

854
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,790
it's mere a the small town of Tonopah

855
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:22,740
Nevada which is almost exactly halfway

856
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:25,980
between Reno and Las Vegas so if you're

857
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:28,320
a gambling person if you you know you

858
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,970
travel Lots people who travel between

859
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:32,160
those two cities spend the night in

860
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:34,890
Tonopah Nevada but that's about all they

861
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:38,940
do but about 15 miles outside Tonopah is

862
00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:42,900
the space where for instance when the

863
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,900
stealth fighter first came out the USAF

864
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:47,520
was had the stealth fighter for almost

865
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:50,400
ten years before it was made public well

866
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:53,880
they flew it out of Tonopah that what

867
00:36:59,960 --> 00:36:55,980
they did was they would put and not fake

868
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,970
but used jet fighters a seven jet

869
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,440
fighters that used in the vietnam war

870
00:37:06,589 --> 00:37:04,160
they would put them out on the runway so

871
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,599
russian spy satellites would see these

872
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:09,599
kind of ordinary a7s they put the black

873
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:12,900
boxes from the a7s into the stealth

874
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,310
fighters and they would fly the stealth

875
00:37:19,339 --> 00:37:16,560
fighters around at night but if you were

876
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:19,349
someone in a control tower

877
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:21,240
you would think that they were 1/7 they

878
00:37:26,540 --> 00:37:24,030
went to this length okay to keep the

879
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:26,550
stealth fighter secret and lots of

880
00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:28,290
people from the time worked on this base

881
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,030
you had to have high security not one

882
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:32,640
person talked that was a secret that was

883
00:37:37,099 --> 00:37:34,980
kept for 10 years in this country you

884
00:37:40,099 --> 00:37:37,109
couldn't do that these days but it just

885
00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:40,109
shows you how kind of little-known this

886
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:42,150
place is so the the stealth fight has

887
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:45,089
moved out of there probably 12 years ago

888
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:47,820
now and so what are they doing there now

889
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:49,110
you know who knows

890
00:37:53,420 --> 00:37:51,240
who knows yeah but that's where really

891
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:53,430
really secret stuff is here we have 51

892
00:37:57,830 --> 00:37:55,800
to me it's kind of like the most famous

893
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,840
secret base in the world everyone knows

894
00:38:02,540 --> 00:37:59,520
about it you know now there are other

895
00:38:05,570 --> 00:38:02,550
places on that Nevada desert that much

896
00:38:07,970 --> 00:38:05,580
more secret and you know there's a lot

897
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:07,980
of speculation comes up about the

898
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:12,450
possibility of technology being worth 20

899
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:14,490
years always 20 years behind on knowing

900
00:38:19,070 --> 00:38:17,760
what what is out there and what do you

901
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:19,080
think about that statement do you think

902
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,510
that might be accurate I don't you don't

903
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:23,280
you mean that we might have captured

904
00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:25,140
technology and we're working on it all

905
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,390
the time no no oh no I'm sorry

906
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:30,000
that we only know about things like 20

907
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:32,280
years after they're developed that 20

908
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:34,410
years might be you know that might be

909
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:36,690
long I'm gonna say 10 years easily 10

910
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:38,970
years and and some of them once reminded

911
00:38:43,460 --> 00:38:41,730
I mean when I was researching these

912
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:43,470
books they he says you got to remember

913
00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:46,410
that 9 out of 10 secret projects

914
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:48,870
especially airplanes don't go anywhere

915
00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:51,450
you know they they might do one

916
00:38:57,380 --> 00:38:54,270
prototype and that's it you know my

917
00:38:58,580 --> 00:38:57,390
crash or whatever happens and right but

918
00:38:59,900 --> 00:38:58,590
they learn a little bit from that and

919
00:39:01,100 --> 00:38:59,910
they put it into the next one they learn

920
00:39:02,210 --> 00:39:01,110
a little bit from that they put in the

921
00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:02,220
next thing you know you know you have

922
00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:03,780
like something like the b-2 stealth

923
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:06,900
bomber right people out there out in

924
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,720
that area they see strange stuff and

925
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:12,240
listen guys all the time up there a lot

926
00:39:16,850 --> 00:39:14,910
of them are these you know prototypes

927
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:16,860
that you know as you say they might fly

928
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:18,780
once and crash who knows but people see

929
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:21,420
them they look strange to them and I

930
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:24,660
think that leads to a lot of UFO

931
00:39:28,610 --> 00:39:26,940
sightings you're really looking at stuff

932
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:28,620
that looks very strange you'll never see

933
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:29,280
it again

934
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:33,540
they the the form runner to the stealth

935
00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:35,220
fighter was this thing called pave blue

936
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:38,580
and all you could just the best way you

937
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:39,960
could describe this thing was it looks

938
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:42,810
like a flying whale with wings on it you

939
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:44,760
know it's just very very strange-looking

940
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:47,010
thing and they would just it was it was

941
00:39:50,750 --> 00:39:48,510
a shape that they were testing to see

942
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:50,760
how what the best state South shape

943
00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:52,650
would be but if you ever saw this thing

944
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:54,900
in the air it looks like a flight it

945
00:40:00,740 --> 00:39:56,760
looks like a spaceship from the 1950s

946
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:00,750
movie you know people saw that what else

947
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:02,250
would they think it was

948
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:04,290
so a lot of strange stuff flies around

949
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:06,090
out there but a lot of it isn't

950
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:10,770
necessarily UFOs in 10 years I think 10

951
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:13,890
to 12 years is probably a good you know

952
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:16,890
a time frame they just came up the 72

953
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:18,810
which is going to take the SS 71 black

954
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,810
boots black for its place by plane and

955
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,520
you know everyone knows they've been

956
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:25,440
working on that for at least a dozen

957
00:40:30,530 --> 00:40:27,570
years yeah right right

958
00:40:33,130 --> 00:40:30,540
Mike in the chat says thank you for

959
00:40:36,620 --> 00:40:33,140
writing your books now how many other

960
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:36,630
books you have just a couple books on

961
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:39,930
UFOs right mm-hmm right yep - yeah yeah

962
00:40:44,589 --> 00:40:41,970
uh-huh and anything in the works

963
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:44,599
possibly have you been thinking about it

964
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:48,210
and UFO books no you know I've gone back

965
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:49,980
to writing fiction books because they're

966
00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:52,500
a lot easier to do you know you don't

967
00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:54,030
have to do all the research and stuff

968
00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:56,820
you know I mean so true yeah yeah I

969
00:41:00,080 --> 00:40:58,200
probably said this before on the

970
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:00,090
previous show but I mean halfway through

971
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:02,010
UFOs at one time I just looked on my

972
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:04,410
office's just like piles of research and

973
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:06,090
stuff has to be fact checked and stuff

974
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:07,980
yeah I said well what did I get myself

975
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:08,609
into

976
00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:11,460
yeah you know this is a lot of work but

977
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:12,990
I'm glad I did it you know when people

978
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:15,420
liked it but whether I do another one

979
00:41:19,849 --> 00:41:17,640
way it would it would take me a while to

980
00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:19,859
kind of think about that I think I just

981
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:22,680
thought of something early on and me

982
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:25,710
doing this show you told me you said hey

983
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:27,450
look if you're thinking about making

984
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:31,770
money forget it UFO publishing business

985
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,890
yeah no no as far as UFOs go Oh as I

986
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,200
said well yeah no I'm not I'm doing this

987
00:41:41,570 --> 00:41:39,599
because I find it really interesting but

988
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:41,580
I do remember you're saying that you

989
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:43,740
know plus the people that have to put

990
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:45,690
the research like I think of someone

991
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:48,570
like John Alexander for instance he like

992
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:53,220
um really really you can fact check all

993
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:54,930
his footnotes I mean they just like

994
00:42:00,260 --> 00:41:58,380
they're really solid and yeah yeah yeah

995
00:42:01,460 --> 00:42:00,270
so I mean and there's other books like

996
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:01,470
that too

997
00:42:05,180 --> 00:42:03,480
I have used to come on a show but he

998
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,190
doesn't he doesn't like me for some

999
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:08,280
reason I don't know why I mean I really

1000
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,810
don't know why we have a lot of you know

1001
00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:11,520
he used to come on the show I was on

1002
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:14,220
kind of regularly and we used to talk to

1003
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:15,450
him all the time a novice

1004
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:18,180
sudden I was persona non grata for some

1005
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:22,500
reason about that now how how you have

1006
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:24,420
you show one one time a week right is it

1007
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:26,700
one day like yeah yep and you've been

1008
00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:28,980
going for at least three years and you

1009
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:30,870
you have actually gone out into other

1010
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:35,040
topics as well all types of topics yeah

1011
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:37,800
right it's like you know we get together

1012
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,400
myself and have two co-hosts a guy named

1013
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:43,680
Juan one and a guy named commander Cobra

1014
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:48,090
and we are both veterans Cobras works

1015
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:51,480
for he he's was in the military for 20

1016
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:53,910
years pilot helicopter pilot and

1017
00:43:00,500 --> 00:42:55,980
fixed-wing aircraft pilot and now he

1018
00:43:02,330 --> 00:43:00,510
works for a military contractor and this

1019
00:43:04,460 --> 00:43:02,340
some nights he isn't in the studio with

1020
00:43:07,070 --> 00:43:04,470
us because he's doing jobs that he can't

1021
00:43:08,810 --> 00:43:07,080
tell us where he is and I know you hear

1022
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:08,820
that kind of stuff can thrown around a

1023
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:10,890
lot but I mean it legitimately he cannot

1024
00:43:15,830 --> 00:43:12,540
tell us where he is because he's on some

1025
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:15,840
kind of mission that's been contracted

1026
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:19,200
out to his company by the government so

1027
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:22,170
but when we get together we do we do a

1028
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:26,130
lot of things you know we do we talk

1029
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:29,400
about the relate you know the

1030
00:43:33,590 --> 00:43:31,740
relationships of some of our

1031
00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:33,600
correspondents you know one guy just

1032
00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:34,920
broke up with his girlfriend so we're

1033
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:37,470
trying to help them you know hook up

1034
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:41,310
again and we talked to Travis Walton

1035
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:44,640
yesterday we went to we went to a UFO

1036
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:45,990
conference in Leominster

1037
00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:49,290
oh yes weekend and we happened to call

1038
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:51,030
we wanted to get one of the organizers

1039
00:43:56,660 --> 00:43:54,960
on and she was driving Travis Walton to

1040
00:43:59,600 --> 00:43:56,670
Logan Airport and we got him to tell us

1041
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:59,610
that he's been around the circuit enough

1042
00:44:03,350 --> 00:44:01,800
that you know because of his celebrity

1043
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:03,360
status he gets to meet a lot of girls

1044
00:44:07,850 --> 00:44:06,510
you know there you go you know so you

1045
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:07,860
know getting it captured you know

1046
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:09,960
getting abducted by aliens does have its

1047
00:44:15,590 --> 00:44:13,800
good points and he told us that you know

1048
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,600
yeah we're gonna have him one and talked

1049
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:16,800
a lot about it for about an hour

1050
00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:20,160
sometimes so yeah it's someone said once

1051
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:21,990
it's and I hate to users but they said

1052
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:24,510
if Howard Stern had a UFO show it'd be

1053
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:26,280
like this and it's not quite as crazy

1054
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:28,530
but we do some pretty nutty stuff yeah

1055
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:29,220
yeah you have

1056
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,260
fun which is which is really important

1057
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:33,599
mm-hmm yeah yeah that's great that's

1058
00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:34,530
great

1059
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:37,190
so let's talk a little bit about I

1060
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:40,200
mentioned to you ahead of the show we

1061
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,140
should cover a little bit about UFO

1062
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:44,880
stories in New England since we're both

1063
00:44:51,859 --> 00:44:48,210
sitting in New England right here now

1064
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:51,869
and so Massachusetts the state where

1065
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:54,030
you're in you're out in Plum Island so

1066
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:57,510
Massachusetts there have been a lot of

1067
00:45:02,540 --> 00:44:59,640
very interesting sightings there there's

1068
00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:02,550
any in particular that you really paid

1069
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:03,900
attention to you know when it was

1070
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:08,130
happening years ago when I worked for

1071
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:11,730
the local newspaper up here they had

1072
00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:14,730
like a flap up here in this Salisbury

1073
00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:16,020
Beach where people were seeing these

1074
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:18,180
UFOs very detailed UFOs I'm talking

1075
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:23,430
about maybe early eighties and they came

1076
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:25,530
down over the marshes this is the the

1077
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:27,450
next town over from the report and and

1078
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,160
what really struck me about them was

1079
00:45:34,030 --> 00:45:31,200
that they would describe these things in

1080
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:34,040
such detail and then they just went away

1081
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:37,859
lots of people saw them you know where

1082
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:40,910
they picked up on radar things like that

1083
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:44,970
you know I don't think so the accident

1084
00:45:48,859 --> 00:45:46,710
new hampshire one is one of my favorite

1085
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:48,869
ones that's yeah that's a really crazy

1086
00:45:51,859 --> 00:45:50,310
one we would just talk about that the

1087
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:51,869
other night boy the stuff that went on

1088
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:54,480
and the exeter incident they call it

1089
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:57,839
it's just really something else yeah is

1090
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:00,119
that the Bridgewater triangle is very

1091
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:04,050
interesting people I know live down

1092
00:46:07,099 --> 00:46:05,670
there they go to school down there and

1093
00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:07,109
they go into that place and a lot of

1094
00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:09,390
really odd stuff happens down there too

1095
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:11,220
so yeah that's there's been a number of

1096
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:13,140
UFO sightings and lemons to masses the

1097
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,290
trans over we just were New Hampshire it

1098
00:46:20,650 --> 00:46:17,760
has a lot of New Hampshire Massachusetts

1099
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:20,660
have a lot of sightings I think Michigan

1100
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,119
next to California Michigan is the

1101
00:46:28,579 --> 00:46:26,640
second largest it is the second state

1102
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:28,589
with the largest UFO cases report about

1103
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:30,450
New Hampshire and New England has to be

1104
00:46:35,570 --> 00:46:33,540
right right up there yeah some listener

1105
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:35,580
contacted me a while ago and said hey

1106
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:37,050
the state of Maine

1107
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:38,339
you know actually has quite a few

1108
00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:40,500
sightings but I know there are some

1109
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:42,750
charts that show you know sightings per

1110
00:46:48,460 --> 00:46:43,140
state

1111
00:46:51,710 --> 00:46:48,470
but as as I'm sure you know there's

1112
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,720
probably many more sightings that are

1113
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:54,480
are not reported that are seen you know

1114
00:46:58,720 --> 00:46:55,920
oh yeah there's a very small percentage

1115
00:47:02,750 --> 00:46:58,730
of sightings that were actually reported

1116
00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:02,760
right oh yeah for sure I mean I think it

1117
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:05,030
takes a lot for a person these days to

1118
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:07,650
report a UFO I think that that whole

1119
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:10,650
kind of crazy factor that the CIA

1120
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:12,780
introduced in the early 50s where they

1121
00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:15,330
you know they actually you know bought

1122
00:47:19,070 --> 00:47:17,400
new stories to spread around the country

1123
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,080
you know making fun of people who saw

1124
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:20,880
flying saucers went at the same time

1125
00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:24,030
they were testing their own spy planes

1126
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:27,120
flying them over major cities and then

1127
00:47:30,830 --> 00:47:28,770
checking the next day to see how many

1128
00:47:33,590 --> 00:47:30,840
people reported seeing UFOs because it

1129
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:33,600
gave them data on how high you can fly

1130
00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:35,370
these things before you're not seen and

1131
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:37,230
how fast you can go and stuff like that

1132
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:39,780
so that whole ridicule factor that they

1133
00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:44,310
entered into kind of like into our DNA

1134
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:46,350
back in the 50s it still holds today you

1135
00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:49,560
know I mean I've never seen a UFO if I

1136
00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:52,230
saw one I think I would report it there

1137
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:54,630
are um you know one two websites where

1138
00:47:59,840 --> 00:47:57,030
even in Massachusetts alone someone sent

1139
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:59,850
this to me and they were like probably a

1140
00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:01,800
half a dozen really good sightings in

1141
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,400
Massachusetts every week um but I just

1142
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:07,680
think it takes a lot for people to say

1143
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:09,740
okay I'm definitely gonna report this

1144
00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:12,390
especially if you're an airline pilot or

1145
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:14,070
a military pilot then you're never going

1146
00:48:18,110 --> 00:48:16,500
to report it right um so I'm sure

1147
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:18,120
thousands and thousands go unrecorded

1148
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:21,210
yeah I know my sighting that I had I

1149
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:24,720
didn't report it I didn't know really

1150
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,270
how to report it you know I mean you

1151
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:28,800
know I called the police department I

1152
00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:30,540
didn't know who to call Yeah right you

1153
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:32,670
never once occurred to me for a second

1154
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:34,680
that I could do something online I never

1155
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:37,560
even tried that way and now that may be

1156
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:39,960
the same way now you know I'll tell you

1157
00:48:45,350 --> 00:48:42,690
a quick story I've never seen a UFO but

1158
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,360
a few years ago we were here on Plum

1159
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:47,760
Island down the the southern end of it

1160
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:49,980
is a federal reservation and we were

1161
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:51,630
down there at dusk my wife and I and we

1162
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:53,610
run this boardwalk we were looking at

1163
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:55,050
these huge waves that were coming in

1164
00:49:00,500 --> 00:48:56,310
for a hurricane and we've looked over

1165
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:00,510
these marshes that stretched if switches

1166
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:02,370
you would you'd know the area right and

1167
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:05,760
we see these two clusters of blinking

1168
00:49:10,070 --> 00:49:07,020
lights coming right at us

1169
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:10,080
different colors blinking crazy chaotic

1170
00:49:14,540 --> 00:49:12,810
but coming right at us and I just said

1171
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:14,550
Thor I says wow this is it you know

1172
00:49:18,410 --> 00:49:16,500
we're gonna see UFO there was nothing

1173
00:49:21,140 --> 00:49:18,420
this could have been a flying slow I

1174
00:49:22,610 --> 00:49:21,150
mean flying well and very fast and they

1175
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:22,620
went over us and there were two medevac

1176
00:49:28,070 --> 00:49:25,800
helicopters following each other ha and

1177
00:49:30,590 --> 00:49:28,080
and they were like flying ambulances you

1178
00:49:32,060 --> 00:49:30,600
know and yeah I could have sworn I would

1179
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:32,070
have bet a thousand dollars if these

1180
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,780
were gonna be UFOs and they weren't so

1181
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:36,000
it just proves you see you know people

1182
00:49:41,420 --> 00:49:38,130
see a lot of things every day and

1183
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:41,430
they're not UFOs drones we have a woman

1184
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:43,170
hi on Sydney Bailey doe so it does a

1185
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,930
drone report every few weeks and she's

1186
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,480
just proven to us by just by the nirn

1187
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:50,160
time she's been on that you know the

1188
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:51,930
u.s. command has been flying drones

1189
00:49:57,110 --> 00:49:54,930
since the late 40s all during the 50s

1190
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:57,120
yeah you just didn't hear about it but

1191
00:50:02,750 --> 00:49:58,500
you know I hate to say it but a lot of

1192
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:02,760
UFO sightings from the 50s on a lot of

1193
00:50:06,980 --> 00:50:04,500
them had to be drones you know I'm

1194
00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:06,990
they're not younger they're not from out

1195
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:09,300
of space so there's a lot of stuff

1196
00:50:14,780 --> 00:50:11,990
flying around up there he's just gonna

1197
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:14,790
you know make sure that when you see

1198
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:16,410
something that is really something out

1199
00:50:19,460 --> 00:50:17,130
of the ordinary

1200
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:19,470
I mean if then then you report it right

1201
00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:22,500
right and you know one of the things you

1202
00:50:26,330 --> 00:50:24,420
know talkin talking about reporting one

1203
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:26,340
of the things that's very important that

1204
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:28,380
have brought up a couple of times is for

1205
00:50:33,860 --> 00:50:32,010
you to immediately stop whatever you

1206
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:33,870
know you were going to be doing and

1207
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:36,300
write everything down because you know

1208
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:40,050
memory is fallible and right also if you

1209
00:50:44,090 --> 00:50:41,850
have other witnesses you want them to

1210
00:50:48,830 --> 00:50:44,100
write something down to you compare

1211
00:50:51,350 --> 00:50:48,840
notes after that yeah you know I think

1212
00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:51,360
only the people that would be like

1213
00:50:55,850 --> 00:50:53,790
listening to a show like this would know

1214
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:55,860
to do something like that other than

1215
00:51:00,050 --> 00:50:57,810
that you know they wouldn't know you

1216
00:51:03,110 --> 00:51:00,060
know normally no one would know exactly

1217
00:51:05,170 --> 00:51:03,120
what to do after so I'm sure a lot of

1218
00:51:07,580 --> 00:51:05,180
people call the police you know yeah but

1219
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:07,590
you know what are they going to do but a

1220
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:08,610
lot of times that you know

1221
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:10,170
call if you're especially if you're in a

1222
00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:12,090
small town you know in if there's a

1223
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:13,980
there's a cop who can actually look into

1224
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:16,260
it those many times they see the same

1225
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:20,070
thing you know they see the UFO yeah

1226
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:21,690
it's strange and I think a lot of it too

1227
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,220
has to do with whether you live near a

1228
00:51:28,070 --> 00:51:25,440
military base or not because there's a

1229
00:51:29,330 --> 00:51:28,080
lot of activity up here in the southern

1230
00:51:31,370 --> 00:51:29,340
part of New Hampshire and Pease Air

1231
00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:31,380
Force Base I got up there for years you

1232
00:51:37,130 --> 00:51:34,020
know and in these things these sightings

1233
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:37,140
just seem to cluster around Air Force

1234
00:51:40,850 --> 00:51:39,210
bases then so people say well know what

1235
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:40,860
you see in other airplanes and say no no

1236
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:43,170
no no because if you live near an Air

1237
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:45,150
Force Base you know it an airplane looks

1238
00:51:50,780 --> 00:51:48,090
like coming in you know what a f-16

1239
00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:50,790
looks like or a kc-135 tank you know

1240
00:51:54,140 --> 00:51:51,990
what they look at you you're almost an

1241
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:54,150
expert in it and when you see something

1242
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:55,650
that doesn't look like one of those

1243
00:52:00,200 --> 00:51:57,180
things and you are a really good witness

1244
00:52:02,660 --> 00:52:00,210
and a lot of people see strange things

1245
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:02,670
around you you know I grew up with a

1246
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:04,980
bird's-eye view a perfect view of Pease

1247
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:07,920
Air Force Base I lived in Elliott Maine

1248
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:10,770
I was on top of the hill called Winter

1249
00:52:15,830 --> 00:52:13,890
Hill we had to grew up at a really nice

1250
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:15,840
house on top of a hill overlooking the

1251
00:52:21,050 --> 00:52:17,970
river across the river was Pease Air

1252
00:52:22,580 --> 00:52:21,060
Force Base and my sisters and I used to

1253
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:22,590
sit on the front lawn and just watch

1254
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,050
what was going on over there yeah you

1255
00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:26,880
know and we saw weather balloons we saw

1256
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:29,550
all kinds of odd really odd things

1257
00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:30,900
matter of fact we thought we were seeing

1258
00:52:34,610 --> 00:52:33,000
a UFO when I was a little kid but it was

1259
00:52:36,050 --> 00:52:34,620
just a weather balloon but it was really

1260
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:36,060
weird because it was going up and down

1261
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:37,770
and I remember had an orange stripe on

1262
00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:40,050
it and you know just this white ball

1263
00:52:43,850 --> 00:52:41,670
with an orange stripe going right down

1264
00:52:45,710 --> 00:52:43,860
you know that was there was a stack base

1265
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:45,720
for a while yo Strategic Air Command

1266
00:52:49,610 --> 00:52:47,850
base and um we were talking to someone

1267
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:49,620
the other day who told the sister they

1268
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:51,900
were they were up there on a tour for

1269
00:52:57,110 --> 00:52:55,200
some contractor and they got a call

1270
00:53:00,080 --> 00:52:57,120
Pease Air Force Base got a call saying

1271
00:53:01,610 --> 00:53:00,090
you have to clear you know your largest

1272
00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:01,620
runway fried and they had that the place

1273
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:04,020
is enormous and they do have one square

1274
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:06,180
I mean ten thousand foot runway right

1275
00:53:09,740 --> 00:53:07,800
and I think the shuttle it was like an

1276
00:53:11,330 --> 00:53:09,750
emergency piece for the shuttle command

1277
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:11,340
that someone was runways so they said

1278
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:13,980
you have to clear this runway for us

1279
00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:15,810
where aircraft and we're having

1280
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:18,270
mechanical issues and they said well

1281
00:53:22,220 --> 00:53:20,790
where are you and they said we just left

1282
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:22,230
UK airspace

1283
00:53:28,070 --> 00:53:25,260
but we'll be there in about 35 minutes

1284
00:53:30,590 --> 00:53:28,080
and we have to land and it was the SS 71

1285
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,600
oh yeah the Blackbird and one of them

1286
00:53:34,070 --> 00:53:32,640
landed and one of its engines was there

1287
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:34,080
was some rod that they just willed it

1288
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:36,930
into a hangar they worked on it for five

1289
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:38,730
days got it working then in the dead of

1290
00:53:43,820 --> 00:53:41,730
night had to take off again now if you

1291
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:43,830
didn't know what an SS 71 Blackbird

1292
00:53:47,090 --> 00:53:45,450
looked like someone these things in the

1293
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,100
sky you would swear it was you know

1294
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:49,440
something from Star Trek or something

1295
00:53:54,740 --> 00:53:51,720
you know hmm so again you know people

1296
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:54,750
see a lot of strange things who knows

1297
00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:56,700
what you know half of them ah right

1298
00:54:00,859 --> 00:53:57,720
right

1299
00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:00,869
I was I was actually at an actually at

1300
00:54:06,430 --> 00:54:03,900
an auction gallery in Amesbury

1301
00:54:09,830 --> 00:54:06,440
Massachusetts friend of mine loans and

1302
00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:09,840
they were the woman that worked in the

1303
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:12,540
gallery was looking up something about

1304
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:14,910
me on the internet and it saw goes you

1305
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:17,310
do a show on UFOs and then she said I

1306
00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:21,420
had a sighting in local you know in the

1307
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:24,270
mess in Massachusetts of a triangle she

1308
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:25,770
said she was really young she got out of

1309
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:27,930
the car it like hovered over the car her

1310
00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:31,710
aunt was driving and they saw it and so

1311
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:34,590
this was and she said it was reported in

1312
00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:36,210
the paper the next day now

1313
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:37,859
that was back I don't know if you

1314
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:39,300
remember that there was a bit there was

1315
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,490
triangle sightings in Massachusetts way

1316
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:43,680
back when I think in the early 80s or

1317
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:45,290
late 70s mm-hm

1318
00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:47,490
and there's a lot of activity like that

1319
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:49,140
out in the western part of the state as

1320
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:51,930
well at this conference we were at this

1321
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:54,660
weekend the Greater New England UFO

1322
00:54:58,700 --> 00:54:56,310
conference which was really really good

1323
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:58,710
Lemmons to mass yeah one of the speakers

1324
00:55:03,740 --> 00:55:00,420
told the story about how when he was a

1325
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:03,750
kid he was driving around in the area up

1326
00:55:08,420 --> 00:55:06,210
there and they came to this intersection

1327
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:08,430
it was it was mother father and three

1328
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:11,010
kids in the back and the father stopped

1329
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,330
at a red light and then he pulled the

1330
00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:15,119
car over and he got out of the kind snow

1331
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:16,740
looking some looking at something up in

1332
00:55:20,330 --> 00:55:18,210
the sky and the kids tried to get out

1333
00:55:21,859 --> 00:55:20,340
and this guy he was like he's a he's an

1334
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:21,869
adult now but he was like about six

1335
00:55:24,740 --> 00:55:23,369
years old and he said all he can

1336
00:55:26,780 --> 00:55:24,750
remember is my father pushed me back

1337
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:26,790
into the car pushed me back into the car

1338
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:29,010
but of course that made him want to see

1339
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:30,720
what it was even one they looked out and

1340
00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:32,570
there was a there's a triangle-shaped

1341
00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:34,740
object hovering right above this

1342
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:36,030
intersection really late

1343
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:38,010
night scared the kids kid the whole

1344
00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:40,260
family but he said it really left

1345
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:42,390
impression on me because because my

1346
00:55:48,020 --> 00:55:44,310
father didn't want me to see it you know

1347
00:55:50,510 --> 00:55:48,030
so he just thinks that it was just Leon

1348
00:55:52,340 --> 00:55:50,520
something he shouldn't have seen or

1349
00:55:54,290 --> 00:55:52,350
whatever but yeah but he sorry there's a

1350
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:54,300
triangle-shaped object just hovering

1351
00:55:58,610 --> 00:55:55,770
there you hear about him a lot in this

1352
00:56:01,130 --> 00:55:58,620
area yeah yeah I have a friend in I

1353
00:56:04,610 --> 00:56:01,140
don't know where he was then but in

1354
00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:04,620
Massachusetts but you know he had a

1355
00:56:10,220 --> 00:56:07,500
sighting with his friends and this is a

1356
00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:10,230
weird sighting because it was a negative

1357
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:12,780
sighting like they've all felt really

1358
00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:14,700
upset you know kind of like what you

1359
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:15,750
were talking about a little bit the

1360
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,700
father didn't want the Sun to see it but

1361
00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:19,440
they write they never talked about it

1362
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:21,720
which i think is yeah you know they they

1363
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:25,110
kept their heads down after they saw you

1364
00:56:29,180 --> 00:56:26,700
know just once walked home it didn't

1365
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:29,190
talk about it you know I told the

1366
00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:31,170
brother who was in the if was 22 years

1367
00:56:38,980 --> 00:56:35,400
and he actually went to area 51 a couple

1368
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:38,990
times to work on jet airplanes that had

1369
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:42,930
needed engine repair there but he was he

1370
00:56:47,540 --> 00:56:45,000
was serving at Nellis Air Force Base

1371
00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:47,550
which is right outside of Las Vegas and

1372
00:56:51,830 --> 00:56:49,380
he told me when he first went in the

1373
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:51,840
service he was down in Charleston South

1374
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:56,370
Carolina working on f4 phantoms and they

1375
00:57:00,200 --> 00:56:57,780
used to do it at night because it was

1376
00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:00,210
cooler than doing it during the summer

1377
00:57:05,330 --> 00:57:03,300
down there and he said one night this

1378
00:57:06,740 --> 00:57:05,340
object just came down right down on top

1379
00:57:08,420 --> 00:57:06,750
of him there was like 10 feet off the

1380
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:08,430
top of this jet that they're working on

1381
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,500
me he said it's titled us so we all

1382
00:57:14,420 --> 00:57:12,720
jumped underneath the jet and we just

1383
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,430
lay in there and he says I can just see

1384
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:16,440
the light still on the timac and it was

1385
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:17,970
really crazy and then the thing took off

1386
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:20,370
and he said the biggest mistake I made

1387
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:23,760
was I actually actually reported this to

1388
00:57:27,590 --> 00:57:25,670
the higher-ups and they were immediately

1389
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:27,600
there were four of them they immediately

1390
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:30,450
put into four separate rooms and you

1391
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:32,280
know someone and civilian clothes would

1392
00:57:36,050 --> 00:57:33,960
just come in and they would just ask

1393
00:57:37,580 --> 00:57:36,060
them over and over again okay let's go

1394
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:37,590
over the story again let's go over the

1395
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:39,180
story again you saw this you saw that

1396
00:57:43,070 --> 00:57:41,550
this happened so on and then they say

1397
00:57:46,490 --> 00:57:43,080
well your friend said it was this and

1398
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:46,500
you and just almost like a interrogation

1399
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:48,210
in some kind of a murder trial or

1400
00:57:50,970 --> 00:57:49,210
something

1401
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,980
and finally my brother finally he says

1402
00:57:54,210 --> 00:57:52,960
after four days I just realized you know

1403
00:57:56,730 --> 00:57:54,220
what they were trying to get us to do

1404
00:57:58,349 --> 00:57:56,740
and basically what they wound up doing

1405
00:58:00,780 --> 00:57:58,359
was signing a statement saying that they

1406
00:58:03,569 --> 00:58:00,790
saw a reentry vehicle from Cape

1407
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:03,579
Canaveral which makes no sense at all

1408
00:58:07,410 --> 00:58:04,930
but he just wanted to get out of it they

1409
00:58:09,180 --> 00:58:07,420
just wore them down they just wore them

1410
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,190
down until it made it clear to them that

1411
00:58:13,650 --> 00:58:11,200
you're not gonna get out of here until

1412
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:13,660
you know you basically you know see our

1413
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:16,809
line of thinking now it would be a

1414
00:58:20,819 --> 00:58:18,250
better story if you knew my brother he's

1415
00:58:23,549 --> 00:58:20,829
completely different from what I am you

1416
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:23,559
know he's just very conservative you

1417
00:58:27,630 --> 00:58:26,170
know doesn't believe in conspiracies or

1418
00:58:29,790 --> 00:58:27,640
anything that he's just you know one of

1419
00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:29,800
these people whose feet uh solid on the

1420
00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:31,480
ground he told me that story once would

1421
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:33,780
never tell me the story again and

1422
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,770
something happened to him you know

1423
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,359
something happens to him and I think

1424
00:58:40,829 --> 00:58:39,520
it's happened to a lot of vets a lot of

1425
00:58:42,809 --> 00:58:40,839
I think a lot of veterans have seen

1426
00:58:45,059 --> 00:58:42,819
stuff and they've been gone through a

1427
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:45,069
situation like that or you know people

1428
00:58:50,609 --> 00:58:46,450
say to them don't talk about this so you

1429
00:58:52,349 --> 00:58:50,619
lose your pension or whatever you know

1430
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,359
we have a real quick we have a thing

1431
00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:54,640
called we called for amnesty for any

1432
00:58:59,370 --> 00:58:57,460
veteran who was who was told during his

1433
00:59:01,380 --> 00:58:59,380
service career don't talk about UFO

1434
00:59:03,180 --> 00:59:01,390
you'll lose your pension Hoss you know

1435
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:03,190
whatever we think there should be a

1436
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:05,290
blanket amnesty for all those people

1437
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:07,089
just think of how many stories would

1438
00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:08,650
come out how much more research we would

1439
00:59:13,289 --> 00:59:11,230
be able to do if these guys could come

1440
00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:13,299
out and talk about it without fear of

1441
00:59:18,780 --> 00:59:16,030
being you know some kind of retaliation

1442
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:18,790
by the military and if we could ever get

1443
00:59:22,829 --> 00:59:21,730
as far as the Pentagon to ask them to do

1444
00:59:24,539 --> 00:59:22,839
something like this it would be

1445
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:24,549
interesting because if they did it it

1446
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:25,690
would be great because they think you'd

1447
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:27,730
be a tidal wave of new story stuff we

1448
00:59:32,819 --> 00:59:30,250
have never heard of before and if they

1449
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:32,829
said no then well known as the mud more

1450
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:35,470
proof that they're hiding something so I

1451
00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:37,119
think that would be really good I do too

1452
00:59:41,250 --> 00:59:39,790
and that's that's very similar to what

1453
00:59:44,819 --> 00:59:41,260
I've heard someone say about airline

1454
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:44,829
pilots you know if airline pilots could

1455
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:47,290
speak freely about you know sightings

1456
00:59:54,030 --> 00:59:50,079
how many more would you hear up right

1457
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:54,040
quite a few but alright and in fact of

1458
00:59:59,039 --> 00:59:55,210
Richard Haines who we talked about

1459
01:00:00,270 --> 00:59:59,049
earlier he worked for NASA and he was

1460
01:00:02,609 --> 01:00:00,280
one of the guys who put the Gemini

1461
01:00:03,930 --> 01:00:02,619
capsule together so this guy you know

1462
01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:03,940
knows what he's talking about he told me

1463
01:00:09,150 --> 01:00:06,910
that after 9/11 the number of sightings

1464
01:00:11,249 --> 01:00:09,160
by military pilots went through the roof

1465
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:11,259
not that UFOs had anything to do with

1466
01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:13,690
9/11 but what we had more jets up there

1467
01:00:18,809 --> 01:00:15,880
flying around we had more opportunities

1468
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:18,819
for these pilots to make sightings which

1469
01:00:23,309 --> 01:00:20,529
kind of goes back to the UFOs in one

1470
01:00:24,660 --> 01:00:23,319
time thing is more UFOs spotted because

1471
01:00:26,670 --> 01:00:24,670
we have more airplanes in the air

1472
01:00:28,769 --> 01:00:26,680
because it's war you know I mean we

1473
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:28,779
never really we give you the stories

1474
01:00:31,890 --> 01:00:30,249
where we can never really come to figure

1475
01:00:33,569 --> 01:00:31,900
out what the conclusion is but this is

1476
01:00:35,789 --> 01:00:33,579
kind of the same thing what military

1477
01:00:39,569 --> 01:00:35,799
planes in the air more UFO sightings

1478
01:00:41,069 --> 01:00:39,579
just interesting right you were talking

1479
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:41,079
just a minute ago about the

1480
01:00:46,829 --> 01:00:44,319
interrogations and that kind of reminds

1481
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:46,839
me of the Rendlesham forest case because

1482
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:49,210
they were heavily interrogated for I say

1483
01:00:54,210 --> 01:00:51,609
three days if I could I might have that

1484
01:00:57,329 --> 01:00:54,220
wrong but something like three days you

1485
01:01:00,329 --> 01:00:57,339
know and then supposedly drugged which

1486
01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:00,339
is really bizarre no this that story you

1487
01:01:04,109 --> 01:01:02,230
know kind of goes off the rails a little

1488
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:04,119
bit you know the DB get into it we

1489
01:01:08,370 --> 01:01:06,730
talked it we saw Peter Robbins this

1490
01:01:09,539 --> 01:01:08,380
weekend then he is someone who's been

1491
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:09,549
talking about the Rendlesham forest

1492
01:01:15,059 --> 01:01:13,450
incident for years I mean obviously

1493
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:15,069
something happened they have a tape

1494
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:17,170
recording of the people in the in the

1495
01:01:21,769 --> 01:01:19,839
forest looking at this thing and and you

1496
01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:21,779
know it was made by a major of

1497
01:01:26,670 --> 01:01:24,430
lieutenant-colonel someone who is you

1498
01:01:29,489 --> 01:01:26,680
know it is not in the game to host these

1499
01:01:32,370 --> 01:01:29,499
things he in fact his quote was his name

1500
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:32,380
is major halt yeah Charlie said Charles

1501
01:01:37,019 --> 01:01:35,200
halt he said I'm the guy who debunked

1502
01:01:38,910 --> 01:01:37,029
this kind of stuff you know and he

1503
01:01:42,210 --> 01:01:38,920
actually made a recording of people

1504
01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:42,220
seeing when these things you know one

1505
01:01:45,569 --> 01:01:43,960
the little-known festa maybe it was

1506
01:01:47,279 --> 01:01:45,579
little-known to be told well I found

1507
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:47,289
that it was there was an NSA listening

1508
01:01:52,049 --> 01:01:49,119
station only about two or three miles

1509
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:52,059
from from those bases and also there's

1510
01:01:56,130 --> 01:01:54,160
in that part of England the East Anglia

1511
01:01:59,069 --> 01:01:56,140
part of England there's lots of UFO

1512
01:02:01,710 --> 01:01:59,079
there's a long long UFO history in that

1513
01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:01,720
part of England so what went on there I

1514
01:02:04,739 --> 01:02:02,950
don't know but you're right they were

1515
01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:04,749
same thing as my brothers experience

1516
01:02:08,279 --> 01:02:06,670
they kind of separated them and took

1517
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:08,289
their stories and tried to trip them up

1518
01:02:13,739 --> 01:02:10,329
and finally just wore them down to you

1519
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:13,749
know who knows what yeah during the news

1520
01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:16,480
alejandro rojas was brought up

1521
01:02:22,140 --> 01:02:18,460
Christopher Mel and Chris melon a few

1522
01:02:25,859 --> 01:02:22,150
different times and he he was on this

1523
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:25,869
show I I was the first person to

1524
01:02:29,069 --> 01:02:27,310
interview him and George Knapp

1525
01:02:32,130 --> 01:02:29,079
interviewed him I actually set that up

1526
01:02:34,770 --> 01:02:32,140
for George not to interview him but so

1527
01:02:39,390 --> 01:02:34,780
he doesn't do a lot of interviews but if

1528
01:02:41,970 --> 01:02:39,400
you do catch the video of him with Tom

1529
01:02:46,140 --> 01:02:41,980
DeLonge today he talks about the USS

1530
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:46,150
Nimitz and that sighting and I had never

1531
01:02:50,370 --> 01:02:47,770
heard that story before and what an

1532
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:50,380
incredible story that is I don't know if

1533
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:51,910
you've ever heard anything about it but

1534
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:55,890
it is really an amazing sighting um I

1535
01:03:00,450 --> 01:02:58,480
think I'm afraid about it in passing we

1536
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:00,460
in one of the books we talked about the

1537
01:03:07,410 --> 01:03:03,490
haunting of another aircraft carrier the

1538
01:03:11,010 --> 01:03:07,420
JFK for years had you know numbers and

1539
01:03:15,660 --> 01:03:11,020
probably six or seven really outstanding

1540
01:03:18,060 --> 01:03:15,670
UFO encounters with that ship so there

1541
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:18,070
is a there is kind of a theory out there

1542
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:23,170
that you know UFOs you know set their

1543
01:03:29,010 --> 01:03:26,650
sights on a specific warship or whatever

1544
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,020
and follow it around for its entire

1545
01:03:35,250 --> 01:03:32,079
career which would be interesting but

1546
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:35,260
you know they were JFK was down in Gitmo

1547
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:38,890
and had a UFO sighting they were they

1548
01:03:43,620 --> 01:03:41,710
were at a Brazilian port two or three

1549
01:03:47,069 --> 01:03:43,630
years later had a big UFO sighting they

1550
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,079
were in a early NATO exercise called the

1551
01:03:52,020 --> 01:03:49,599
Mainbrace operation Mainbrace

1552
01:03:56,010 --> 01:03:52,030
in the North Atlantic in the early 50s

1553
01:03:58,410 --> 01:03:56,020
and had a film of UFOs going over the

1554
01:04:00,480 --> 01:03:58,420
aircraft carriers and so on and then

1555
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:00,490
before is retired from services in the

1556
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:01,450
Mediterranean

1557
01:04:05,010 --> 01:04:02,710
you know launched a bunch of Jets

1558
01:04:07,230 --> 01:04:05,020
because they saw your folk coming at it

1559
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:07,240
at high speed from 50,000 feet directly

1560
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:08,890
over the aircraft carrier that kind of

1561
01:04:14,550 --> 01:04:12,730
stuff just interesting that you know

1562
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:14,560
would that be interesting if you oppose

1563
01:04:20,210 --> 01:04:17,890
you know actually yeah selected some

1564
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:20,220
wash-up just to follow it through its

1565
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:22,960
career once again it could be time

1566
01:04:26,609 --> 01:04:24,640
tourists wrong we know someone you know

1567
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:26,619
when a million years from now doing the

1568
01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:29,050
dissertation on the USS JFK or something

1569
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,150
but

1570
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,640
just really kind of fascinating stuff

1571
01:04:38,970 --> 01:04:34,720
right right

1572
01:04:40,849 --> 01:04:38,980
so as far as I think that is really

1573
01:04:44,670 --> 01:04:40,859
fascinating when when you say that

1574
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:44,680
possibly being followed as far as you

1575
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:48,640
know other other like destroyers or

1576
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:50,049
aircraft carriers anything like that

1577
01:04:59,970 --> 01:04:54,880
that are have similar tales you know no

1578
01:05:01,920 --> 01:04:59,980
because actually the the I think I

1579
01:05:05,249 --> 01:05:01,930
sculpted the JFK it's actually the FDR

1580
01:05:06,749 --> 01:05:05,259
the u.s. USS Franklin Delano Roosevelt

1581
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:06,759
was the one that the UFOs are chasing

1582
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:09,839
but the the reason that they think that

1583
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:13,119
the UFOs wanted to hang around that

1584
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:14,319
particularly aircraft carrier is the

1585
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:17,410
first one to carry nuclear weapons it

1586
01:05:23,009 --> 01:05:18,730
was the first ship to have nuclear

1587
01:05:25,170 --> 01:05:23,019
weapons on board and it wasn't nuclear

1588
01:05:27,170 --> 01:05:25,180
powered but they had nuclear weapons on

1589
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:27,180
board and they used to fly them off of

1590
01:05:33,210 --> 01:05:29,650
the deck and so on and he's kind of

1591
01:05:36,539 --> 01:05:33,220
small Navy attack craft so there was

1592
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:36,549
definitely a history of UFOs having a

1593
01:05:41,789 --> 01:05:38,559
lot of interest in places where nuclear

1594
01:05:43,980 --> 01:05:41,799
weapons are made the Hannifin research

1595
01:05:47,220 --> 01:05:43,990
labs up in Washington State I mean they

1596
01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:47,230
made the nuclear the the fissionable

1597
01:05:52,349 --> 01:05:49,390
materials for the first nuclear bomb and

1598
01:05:54,990 --> 01:05:52,359
like the day after that was tested down

1599
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,000
and New Mexico your phone's not showing

1600
01:05:58,349 --> 01:05:57,039
up over this place in Washington in the

1601
01:06:00,450 --> 01:05:58,359
state of Washington then there's all

1602
01:06:02,849 --> 01:06:00,460
kinds of stories about how they you know

1603
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:02,859
we're like haunting our ICBM bases for

1604
01:06:07,650 --> 01:06:05,650
years all during the 60s and 70s where

1605
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:07,660
they were UFOs would would would fly

1606
01:06:12,930 --> 01:06:11,440
over these you know scattered ICM bases

1607
01:06:15,299 --> 01:06:12,940
out in the prairies of the middle of

1608
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:15,309
America and they would shut off their

1609
01:06:18,539 --> 01:06:17,049
power they would they would retarget

1610
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:18,549
some of these things they would do all

1611
01:06:25,499 --> 01:06:22,720
kinds of stuff Parade magazine and had a

1612
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:25,509
huge story on a back in the 70s one of

1613
01:06:31,170 --> 01:06:27,490
the best stories and the general press

1614
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:31,180
that I've ever seen about UFOs and and

1615
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:34,210
also Peter Jennings shortly before he he

1616
01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:36,880
died he did a three-hour special on UFOs

1617
01:06:43,529 --> 01:06:40,150
really really good and mentions a lot

1618
01:06:44,110 --> 01:06:43,539
about the ICBM basis so once again there

1619
01:06:46,210 --> 01:06:44,120
is a definite

1620
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:46,220
history of UFOs being interested where

1621
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:48,290
we have our nuclear weapons and we're on

1622
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:52,570
nuclear weapons manufactured right right

1623
01:06:59,740 --> 01:06:56,480
yeah yeah I've had Robert Hastings on a

1624
01:07:01,900 --> 01:06:59,750
number of times over the years and yeah

1625
01:07:04,570 --> 01:07:01,910
that's you know I remember asking him

1626
01:07:07,930 --> 01:07:04,580
the question what if what's your best

1627
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:07,940
guess on why these things are you know

1628
01:07:15,340 --> 01:07:11,090
found tampering with you know the

1629
01:07:18,730 --> 01:07:15,350
missiles and and he says it's like stop

1630
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:18,740
what you're doing you know right it

1631
01:07:27,010 --> 01:07:23,210
seems like that it seems like we know we

1632
01:07:30,250 --> 01:07:27,020
want you to know we are here it's like

1633
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:30,260
what I got out of that there were places

1634
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:33,680
out there's a base out in Colorado that

1635
01:07:40,270 --> 01:07:37,250
has something like 150 silos and one

1636
01:07:42,430 --> 01:07:40,280
night you know they UFOs like literally

1637
01:07:44,830 --> 01:07:42,440
turned off almost half of them now

1638
01:07:49,030 --> 01:07:44,840
that's that's a significant amount of

1639
01:07:51,250 --> 01:07:49,040
our nuclear rotala touring let's say you

1640
01:07:53,140 --> 01:07:51,260
know if there was a Russian first launch

1641
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:53,150
these are the missiles that we would

1642
01:07:58,060 --> 01:07:56,090
have the launch to you know destroy them

1643
01:08:00,460 --> 01:07:58,070
as they were destroying us and for half

1644
01:08:03,610 --> 01:08:00,470
of them to be offline on any particular

1645
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:03,620
night is a huge security issue but

1646
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,930
because UFOs were involved you didn't

1647
01:08:09,490 --> 01:08:07,760
hear about it the military you know

1648
01:08:13,930 --> 01:08:09,500
insisted on calling them on identify the

1649
01:08:16,330 --> 01:08:13,940
aircraft and so on but just really

1650
01:08:17,890 --> 01:08:16,340
strange and that whole idea of you know

1651
01:08:19,450 --> 01:08:17,900
stop what you're doing or it's more like

1652
01:08:20,860 --> 01:08:19,460
we know what you're doing but we want

1653
01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:20,870
you to know that we're here to knit and

1654
01:08:27,310 --> 01:08:24,710
it would happen to Russian ICBM bases as

1655
01:08:28,350 --> 01:08:27,320
well so but it's something that the

1656
01:08:31,030 --> 01:08:28,360
military the government our government

1657
01:08:33,820 --> 01:08:31,040
obviously wants to kind of keep under

1658
01:08:35,410 --> 01:08:33,830
wraps because I don't believe that they

1659
01:08:37,570 --> 01:08:35,420
know anything more about the UFOs than

1660
01:08:39,670 --> 01:08:37,580
we do I think that they have more

1661
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:39,680
evidence I think they have film and so

1662
01:08:44,440 --> 01:08:42,110
on I think they know they exist but I

1663
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:44,450
don't I don't think that they know where

1664
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,640
they come from and that's why this whole

1665
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:48,560
idea of not letting us know because it

1666
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:50,810
would have civilization and then stuff I

1667
01:08:53,650 --> 01:08:53,330
just think it's that someone say will we

1668
01:08:55,270 --> 01:08:53,660
pay you

1669
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:55,280
you know billions and billions of

1670
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,290
dollars every year to you

1671
01:09:01,660 --> 01:09:00,080
but the defense of this country and you

1672
01:09:03,370 --> 01:09:01,670
don't know what these things out flying

1673
01:09:06,250 --> 01:09:03,380
around and that you're not doing your

1674
01:09:09,610 --> 01:09:06,260
job so that's my opinion why they keep

1675
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,620
this thing under wraps I agree a hundred

1676
01:09:14,170 --> 01:09:11,839
percent with you and and I've said that

1677
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:14,180
a number of times that you know I have

1678
01:09:19,140 --> 01:09:16,850
the feeling that the government if any

1679
01:09:21,849 --> 01:09:19,150
one any part of the government is

1680
01:09:24,130 --> 01:09:21,859
interested in following you know UFOs

1681
01:09:27,340 --> 01:09:24,140
what's going on they probably know as

1682
01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:27,350
much as we do about their origin you

1683
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:29,390
know I just have that feeling like they

1684
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:30,799
probably don't know any more than we do

1685
01:09:36,130 --> 01:09:34,400
right a great story is good and Cooper

1686
01:09:38,650 --> 01:09:36,140
who was you know one of the original

1687
01:09:40,690 --> 01:09:38,660
mercury astronauts he was an Air Force

1688
01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:40,700
pilot in the early 50s and he was at a

1689
01:09:45,490 --> 01:09:43,310
base that was very close to the Russian

1690
01:09:49,090 --> 01:09:45,500
border the communist border in the East

1691
01:09:49,980 --> 01:09:49,100
Germany and he reported seeing in his

1692
01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:49,990
whole bit

1693
01:09:56,620 --> 01:09:53,510
babies dead dozens and dozens of this

1694
01:09:58,690 --> 01:09:56,630
shaped objects going over this space you

1695
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,700
know like every day coming from the West

1696
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:00,320
I think coming from the east and going

1697
01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:01,760
west and you know they would scramble

1698
01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:03,710
and these things were too high to fly up

1699
01:10:05,730 --> 01:10:04,910
to and so on so finally they just

1700
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:05,740
stopped

1701
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:07,730
scrambling for them so then you fast

1702
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:11,600
forward eight years and he's out in

1703
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:14,810
California and test testing new

1704
01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:18,290
airplanes and he's he said it's a place

1705
01:10:23,950 --> 01:10:21,860
called rock back then and he was in

1706
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:23,960
charge of these two Air Force agents who

1707
01:10:28,930 --> 01:10:26,000
had set up a camera at the end of a

1708
01:10:32,620 --> 01:10:28,940
runway to test a landing new landing

1709
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:32,630
velocity just by these test airplanes so

1710
01:10:36,820 --> 01:10:33,710
these two guys were out there with a

1711
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:36,830
camera and they caught on camera a disc

1712
01:10:42,220 --> 01:10:39,440
coming out of you know out of this guy

1713
01:10:44,860 --> 01:10:42,230
landing and then taking off again a

1714
01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:44,870
flying saucer shaped disc they ran back

1715
01:10:48,940 --> 01:10:46,460
to Glenn Koopa because he was their

1716
01:10:50,440 --> 01:10:48,950
commanding officer he knew all about it

1717
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:50,450
he called the special number in the

1718
01:10:55,540 --> 01:10:53,360
Pentagon the person they said get the

1719
01:10:58,450 --> 01:10:55,550
generals plane at your base and fly the

1720
01:10:59,800 --> 01:10:58,460
film footage to us right away and Glen

1721
01:11:01,600 --> 01:10:59,810
Cooper was sure he was going to be

1722
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:01,610
called before some kind of hearing or

1723
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:04,610
whatever so talk about this because he

1724
01:11:09,010 --> 01:11:06,710
saw this and no one ever called him he

1725
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:09,020
never said he never heard anything more

1726
01:11:13,150 --> 01:11:10,850
about the film ever again

1727
01:11:14,230 --> 01:11:13,160
until he wrote about it and now the

1728
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:14,240
interesting thing is true years later

1729
01:11:17,050 --> 01:11:15,530
he's picked to be one of the mercury

1730
01:11:18,850 --> 01:11:17,060
astronauts they must have had to go

1731
01:11:20,890 --> 01:11:18,860
through unbelievable security check some

1732
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:20,900
of that and the fact is is that this guy

1733
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:23,690
knew about UFOs had seen film of it and

1734
01:11:27,790 --> 01:11:25,250
was still selected as one of the mercury

1735
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:27,800
astronauts to me as fascinated Wow you

1736
01:11:31,450 --> 01:11:29,330
know I never knew that was the sequence

1737
01:11:32,710 --> 01:11:31,460
and how that went

1738
01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:32,720
I thought this was something that

1739
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:34,750
happened later

1740
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:38,000
ya know he had to those two huge city

1741
01:11:43,540 --> 01:11:39,770
you know back in the early 50s and then

1742
01:11:45,550 --> 01:11:43,550
later these and and that made him a

1743
01:11:47,290 --> 01:11:45,560
believer from right to the very end you

1744
01:11:48,910 --> 01:11:47,300
know he was really out there saying

1745
01:11:51,580 --> 01:11:48,920
there's something to this because I've

1746
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:51,590
seen it and just the fact that people

1747
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:54,290
kind of ignored him I think is also

1748
01:11:57,970 --> 01:11:56,570
interesting but even more interesting is

1749
01:11:59,410 --> 01:11:57,980
that this guy with this history of

1750
01:12:00,850 --> 01:11:59,420
seeing these things was still made of

1751
01:12:02,740 --> 01:12:00,860
mercury astronaut and you know those

1752
01:12:04,420 --> 01:12:02,750
guys they were really schooled in public

1753
01:12:06,430 --> 01:12:04,430
relations they won they were the new

1754
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:06,440
heroes you know life they were on the

1755
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:08,450
cover of Life magazine and these these

1756
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:11,360
will be real life superheroes to him to

1757
01:12:14,770 --> 01:12:12,800
be one of them and to know what he knew

1758
01:12:19,150 --> 01:12:14,780
about UFOs again I think it is really

1759
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:19,160
interesting I do too yeah yeah he was he

1760
01:12:24,850 --> 01:12:22,400
was really I think one of the people out

1761
01:12:27,070 --> 01:12:24,860
there that could have made a difference

1762
01:12:28,810 --> 01:12:27,080
he did try you know there were many

1763
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:28,820
times that he did try to talk about it

1764
01:12:33,490 --> 01:12:31,280
you know really never really went

1765
01:12:36,580 --> 01:12:33,500
anywhere we're in the second hour if

1766
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:36,590
anyone would like to call in the phone

1767
01:12:43,180 --> 01:12:40,640
number is 603 967 403 Oh if you have a

1768
01:12:45,610 --> 01:12:43,190
question for our guests or you can

1769
01:12:49,540 --> 01:12:45,620
always Skype in at Marty Willis that's

1770
01:12:54,090 --> 01:12:49,550
enemy arty why WI ll is do you take

1771
01:12:58,840 --> 01:12:54,100
Collins in your show no yeah we don't we

1772
01:13:01,300 --> 01:12:58,850
taped the show oh but we learned to work

1773
01:13:04,210 --> 01:13:01,310
without a seven-second away oh yeah

1774
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,220
which was for us is actually a pretty

1775
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:06,320
good is a good thing yep

1776
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:08,210
can bleep out is that what you're trying

1777
01:13:12,820 --> 01:13:10,130
to say well you know if we can't catch

1778
01:13:14,770 --> 01:13:12,830
it yeah we're we're not built for live

1779
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:14,780
crawlers though yeah I think that's a

1780
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:17,920
way to put it yeah right right right so

1781
01:13:24,670 --> 01:13:22,910
as far as the the I think we kind of

1782
01:13:29,490 --> 01:13:24,680
covered the military and to

1783
01:13:34,930 --> 01:13:29,500
back to the sightings in in New England

1784
01:13:38,610 --> 01:13:34,940
what do you think you mentioned the I'm

1785
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:38,620
sorry the Exeter incident Exeter uh-huh

1786
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:40,490
what are your thoughts

1787
01:13:43,450 --> 01:13:42,110
there's a reason I'm asking this but

1788
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:43,460
what are your thoughts on the Betty and

1789
01:13:51,340 --> 01:13:48,170
Barney Hill abduction case right

1790
01:13:52,990 --> 01:13:51,350
interesting case I've tied to well not

1791
01:13:56,350 --> 01:13:53,000
so much with the Kathie mazdan once who

1792
01:13:58,720 --> 01:13:56,360
was um Betty's niece and she's really

1793
01:14:02,970 --> 01:13:58,730
good knows a lot about the case and told

1794
01:14:05,860 --> 01:14:05,500
well obviously something happened to

1795
01:14:08,740 --> 01:14:05,870
them

1796
01:14:10,570 --> 01:14:08,750
and it's in and at the time no one was

1797
01:14:12,370 --> 01:14:10,580
really thinking I suppose they were

1798
01:14:15,190 --> 01:14:12,380
thinking UFOs I mean they when they

1799
01:14:16,990 --> 01:14:15,200
recovered their hidden memories that's

1800
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:17,000
when this whole idea of abductions and

1801
01:14:22,210 --> 01:14:19,970
so on you know really kind of took off I

1802
01:14:25,090 --> 01:14:22,220
don't know they hid and then they they

1803
01:14:28,420 --> 01:14:25,100
had you know especially yeah bonnie has

1804
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:28,430
such an odd ending and and then

1805
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:29,690
different things that they found on

1806
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:31,310
their bodies and stuff you know really

1807
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:35,570
kind of creepy all you can say is you

1808
01:14:38,350 --> 01:14:37,250
know obviously something happened and

1809
01:14:40,060 --> 01:14:38,360
they were the first people to really

1810
01:14:42,340 --> 01:14:40,070
kind of come forward and talk about

1811
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,350
stuff like this and they were ridiculed

1812
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:44,960
I mean you know Kathy told me that you

1813
01:14:50,500 --> 01:14:46,640
know their lives were never the same

1814
01:14:52,930 --> 01:14:50,510
again so they you know kind of

1815
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:52,940
sacrificed their privacy at the very

1816
01:14:58,860 --> 01:14:55,760
least to come out and talk about this

1817
01:15:02,590 --> 01:14:58,870
but what happened you know who knows

1818
01:15:05,980 --> 01:15:02,600
yeah yeah we'd actually have we have a

1819
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:05,990
skeptic that is going to be reviewing

1820
01:15:09,730 --> 01:15:07,760
their case is going to be on the show

1821
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:09,740
that's one of the things I like to do is

1822
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:12,800
to have all different types of people on

1823
01:15:17,620 --> 01:15:15,290
the show and one of them's a skeptic is

1824
01:15:20,490 --> 01:15:17,630
coming up on November 1st and while I'm

1825
01:15:24,340 --> 01:15:20,500
talking about upcoming shows I'm pretty

1826
01:15:26,770 --> 01:15:24,350
pretty excited to talk about next week's

1827
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:26,780
show we have Randy Nickerson and we also

1828
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:32,090
have Salaam siddik and salon is she was

1829
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:36,170
a witness of the Ariel school incident

1830
01:15:39,740 --> 01:15:38,110
so that will be on

1831
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:39,750
next week I'm really excited about that

1832
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:42,489
so we'll have two people and also I'm

1833
01:15:50,459 --> 01:15:47,530
gonna have an in in in studio guest so

1834
01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:50,469
last Christmas I did a drawing of people

1835
01:15:56,340 --> 01:15:53,020
that could use our guest house up here

1836
01:15:58,040 --> 01:15:56,350
and being in studio guests and so that

1837
01:16:02,370 --> 01:15:58,050
person will be here next week

1838
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:02,380
excellent yeah yeah so on your shows

1839
01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:05,440
what I saw that you did black-eyed

1840
01:16:10,590 --> 01:16:07,710
children-- so you cover everything right

1841
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:10,600
right yeah but the way that we cover

1842
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:13,449
black-eyed children-- was we talked

1843
01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:15,250
about some real cases but there's a

1844
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:17,080
gentleman who's on the show a lot his

1845
01:16:22,830 --> 01:16:20,800
name is Phil Yabba and he's a stand-up

1846
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:22,840
comedian but he's also someone who does

1847
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:27,040
voices really well and so he does like a

1848
01:16:32,340 --> 01:16:28,960
little kids voice and so he's the

1849
01:16:34,169 --> 01:16:32,350
black-eyed kid and we have him in and it

1850
01:16:36,830 --> 01:16:34,179
basically all he does is like threaten

1851
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:36,840
people in the air and everything and

1852
01:16:42,660 --> 01:16:40,449
he's just a funny guy you know so that's

1853
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:42,670
how we cover the black-eyed kids with

1854
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:44,560
with with the with the Camellia with

1855
01:16:49,050 --> 01:16:46,090
comedy right right

1856
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:49,060
you mentioned Nick Redfern he's has he

1857
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:51,250
actually been on your show as well yep

1858
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:51,850
mm-hmm

1859
01:16:56,729 --> 01:16:53,920
yeah a few times and I met him in person

1860
01:16:58,979 --> 01:16:56,739
for the first time just this weekend at

1861
01:17:01,260 --> 01:16:58,989
the know he was the OPO yeah yeah he was

1862
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:01,270
there yep and it's it's kind of funny

1863
01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:03,550
because in this in this kind of world

1864
01:17:07,709 --> 01:17:06,310
wherein you talk to these people on the

1865
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:07,719
top all the time you either run their

1866
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:10,449
show or they're on your show or you have

1867
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:12,130
some kind of connection with some book

1868
01:17:17,490 --> 01:17:15,520
you writing it as I said Nick help me

1869
01:17:20,129 --> 01:17:17,500
write a chapter and Beyond area51 he

1870
01:17:24,379 --> 01:17:20,139
helped me with the fact-checking of the

1871
01:17:27,300 --> 01:17:24,389
two UFO books he's just like a walking

1872
01:17:28,919 --> 01:17:27,310
wealth of knowledge about this stuff and

1873
01:17:30,689 --> 01:17:28,929
he and I had talked on the phone many

1874
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:30,699
times yet we had we had never met you

1875
01:17:38,879 --> 01:17:32,650
know and and that was like a good

1876
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:38,889
experience and yeah he's he was the

1877
01:17:41,580 --> 01:17:40,810
first guy I went to when someone said

1878
01:17:43,740 --> 01:17:41,590
well you should have an independent

1879
01:17:46,169 --> 01:17:43,750
person in fact check these things you

1880
01:17:47,550 --> 01:17:46,179
know in the UFO books he's I just

1881
01:17:51,250 --> 01:17:47,560
thought wow he's written so many books

1882
01:17:52,570 --> 01:17:51,260
he has knowledge about everything yeah

1883
01:17:55,870 --> 01:17:52,580
he would be the again he's written books

1884
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:55,880
on his own he knows the misery it you go

1885
01:18:02,020 --> 01:17:58,370
through writing a book so he was the

1886
01:18:04,180 --> 01:18:02,030
first guy I asked and lucky for me he he

1887
01:18:06,490 --> 01:18:04,190
helped me out yeah yeah he's a good guy

1888
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:06,500
I met him in Phoenix and he's been on

1889
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:08,510
the show a number of times you know I

1890
01:18:14,260 --> 01:18:11,120
got to tell you about the UFO conference

1891
01:18:19,210 --> 01:18:14,270
this weekend and Leominster is I found

1892
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:19,220
out about it Friday night well too man

1893
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,090
usually usually I get notices because

1894
01:18:26,650 --> 01:18:25,760
I've you know I signed up for something

1895
01:18:31,450 --> 01:18:26,660
there at one point

1896
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:31,460
uh-huh been there three times I think in

1897
01:18:37,060 --> 01:18:34,400
three three years but I was surprised I

1898
01:18:41,070 --> 01:18:37,070
didn't see it advertised you know I

1899
01:18:44,230 --> 01:18:41,080
don't I just bring it around well you

1900
01:18:46,780 --> 01:18:44,240
know we know they get in touch with us

1901
01:18:49,630 --> 01:18:46,790
willie miranda is one of the co

1902
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:49,640
organizes he can touch with us a about

1903
01:18:55,690 --> 01:18:52,310
two months ahead of time we had them on

1904
01:18:58,090 --> 01:18:55,700
the show and then we had a we did a show

1905
01:18:59,980 --> 01:18:58,100
before a live audience about three weeks

1906
01:19:02,920 --> 01:18:59,990
ago which was interest and we had about

1907
01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:02,930
25 people in the audience and he was one

1908
01:19:10,930 --> 01:19:07,490
of them and susan his she was also

1909
01:19:13,090 --> 01:19:10,940
personal help put it to god although i

1910
01:19:14,590 --> 01:19:13,100
know that they were you know running in

1911
01:19:15,940 --> 01:19:14,600
circles for months getting this thing

1912
01:19:18,610 --> 01:19:15,950
together and it really came off really

1913
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:18,620
well everything really just kind of ran

1914
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:20,210
smoothly you know how those things that

1915
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:22,370
they just write you can't wait for them

1916
01:19:25,780 --> 01:19:23,810
to actually happen you know and so

1917
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:25,790
they're over especially if you're part

1918
01:19:30,340 --> 01:19:28,610
of the organization of one but yeah I

1919
01:19:33,370 --> 01:19:30,350
mean they should they should really get

1920
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:33,380
the word out everywhere because it is I

1921
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:34,610
don't know it just seemed like a very

1922
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:37,130
focused you know conference people with

1923
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:38,480
great people are friendly very

1924
01:19:43,930 --> 01:19:41,330
informative and there wasn't a lot of

1925
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:43,940
noise that you kind of you know run into

1926
01:19:47,770 --> 01:19:46,610
at other places right so but I will pass

1927
01:19:49,930 --> 01:19:47,780
that on to them that they should

1928
01:19:51,730 --> 01:19:49,940
advertise more well yeah I mean I just I

1929
01:19:53,530 --> 01:19:51,740
just didn't even know about it's too bad

1930
01:19:55,060 --> 01:19:53,540
because I'm always willing to put a

1931
01:19:56,620 --> 01:19:55,070
banner on my website you know and get

1932
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:56,630
the word out there myself and talk about

1933
01:20:02,790 --> 01:19:59,840
it right and I understand my good friend

1934
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:02,800
Mark Dantonio was there it was yeah yeah

1935
01:20:08,020 --> 01:20:05,330
yes we got to talk to him just for

1936
01:20:09,070 --> 01:20:08,030
I'm sorry just we taiked him for a

1937
01:20:11,980 --> 01:20:09,080
little while but he put on this

1938
01:20:14,590 --> 01:20:11,990
presentation of toilet you know how well

1939
01:20:17,980 --> 01:20:14,600
yeah right he's lovely yeah yeah yeah

1940
01:20:19,930 --> 01:20:17,990
how old the earth really is yeah it was

1941
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:19,940
fascinating it really was he stretched

1942
01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:21,530
that this reinforced roll of toilet

1943
01:20:26,710 --> 01:20:24,110
paper around and around the room yeah

1944
01:20:28,300 --> 01:20:26,720
and you know basically sectioned off and

1945
01:20:30,370 --> 01:20:28,310
saying you know this is what we will

1946
01:20:31,780 --> 01:20:30,380
like his seven billion years ago and

1947
01:20:34,510 --> 01:20:31,790
this is what the earth was like two

1948
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:34,520
billion years ago now for right and and

1949
01:20:39,490 --> 01:20:36,650
and by the time he gets to explain and

1950
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:39,500
he has gone around the room and he said

1951
01:20:44,140 --> 01:20:41,810
in this little piece here is how long

1952
01:20:47,410 --> 01:20:44,150
human beings have been on earth and it's

1953
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:47,420
a Slaney tiny liver hang on we have a

1954
01:20:54,610 --> 01:20:52,490
caller calling in right now hello caller

1955
01:20:56,770 --> 01:20:54,620
you're on the air

1956
01:20:58,410 --> 01:20:56,780
can you please say your first name and

1957
01:21:00,820 --> 01:20:58,420
where you calling from

1958
01:21:03,370 --> 01:21:00,830
that's Bobby foreign seat how you doing

1959
01:21:05,670 --> 01:21:03,380
Martin hey Bobby my good friend Bobby I

1960
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:05,680
met him actually down in North Carolina

1961
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:09,170
years ago and who do we have who did we

1962
01:21:19,180 --> 01:21:16,730
have dinner with Bobby the good Timothy

1963
01:21:20,770 --> 01:21:19,190
good yeah Timothy good yeah yeah which

1964
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:20,780
you know it's got a couple of his books

1965
01:21:24,370 --> 01:21:22,880
and when I saw him I recognized him of

1966
01:21:25,630 --> 01:21:24,380
course he was older than the picture on

1967
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:25,640
his books but I recognized and I was

1968
01:21:28,990 --> 01:21:26,840
just like man I wish I'd brought the

1969
01:21:30,610 --> 01:21:29,000
books up there but Mack Maloney's book

1970
01:21:32,230 --> 01:21:30,620
UFOs in wartime actually bought that I

1971
01:21:34,030 --> 01:21:32,240
want you to know it's a great book I

1972
01:21:35,770 --> 01:21:34,040
enjoyed the hell out of it I had no idea

1973
01:21:37,470 --> 01:21:35,780
that you're a fiction writer and I'd

1974
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:37,480
like to pick up some of those sometime

1975
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:41,810
did he hear me oh yeah yeah yeah thank

1976
01:21:46,210 --> 01:21:42,770
you I appreciate that

1977
01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:46,220
yeah it's a great book I loved it I love

1978
01:21:49,690 --> 01:21:47,630
that stuff because you know these guys

1979
01:21:51,580 --> 01:21:49,700
weren't making that stuff up those

1980
01:21:53,650 --> 01:21:51,590
things really crazy things really did

1981
01:21:58,330 --> 01:21:53,660
happen the two guys talked about the CD

1982
01:21:59,500 --> 01:21:58,340
that he made baloney CD oh I don't think

1983
01:22:01,540 --> 01:21:59,510
I don't think so

1984
01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:01,550
now we have a band called Sky Club and

1985
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:04,910
we yeah we put a CD out a few years ago

1986
01:22:09,130 --> 01:22:06,970
yeah I'm Lenny here you say that that's

1987
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:09,140
well you know that one song about that

1988
01:22:12,610 --> 01:22:10,730
guy I forgot the name of the band those

1989
01:22:14,500 --> 01:22:12,620
back in the 60s where he was like sick

1990
01:22:15,820 --> 01:22:14,510
he wrote a song about you know he

1991
01:22:19,059 --> 01:22:15,830
thought it was gonna die not see his mom

1992
01:22:21,459 --> 01:22:19,069
again and I had not heard that I'm 50

1993
01:22:22,779 --> 01:22:21,469
- I have not heard that in years right

1994
01:22:25,389 --> 01:22:22,789
when I heard that it just blew my mind

1995
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:25,399
there's a mechanical world by the being

1996
01:22:31,449 --> 01:22:28,639
spirit coming yeah and the guy wrote it

1997
01:22:32,889 --> 01:22:31,459
when he had a hundred and eight degree

1998
01:22:34,689 --> 01:22:32,899
temperature and he thought he was dying

1999
01:22:36,099 --> 01:22:34,699
when you listen to the lyrics it say wow

2000
01:22:39,219 --> 01:22:36,109
that really does sound like someone

2001
01:22:41,559 --> 01:22:39,229
who's about to die great kind of heavy

2002
01:22:44,139 --> 01:22:41,569
metal song from the 60s great being

2003
01:22:46,119 --> 01:22:44,149
spirit was a great band they were there

2004
01:22:48,579 --> 01:22:46,129
like more a jazz band in a rock band but

2005
01:22:51,429 --> 01:22:48,589
boy they put out some really good music

2006
01:22:52,959 --> 01:22:51,439
and when you enjoyed the CD yeah and

2007
01:22:56,500 --> 01:22:52,969
that other there's another song you were

2008
01:22:58,419 --> 01:22:56,510
talking about how pilots coming over the

2009
01:22:59,859 --> 01:22:58,429
Atlantic towards America always played

2010
01:23:02,109 --> 01:22:59,869
that one song all the time that's now oh

2011
01:23:07,089 --> 01:23:02,119
you ever yeah this a friend of a house

2012
01:23:09,429 --> 01:23:07,099
is someone who flies for the modern

2013
01:23:13,359 --> 01:23:09,439
version of Air America which was the CIA

2014
01:23:14,949 --> 01:23:13,369
is a line for a long time and what his

2015
01:23:18,750 --> 01:23:14,959
company would do is they would fly

2016
01:23:21,099 --> 01:23:18,760
troops back and forth to Afghanistan

2017
01:23:22,299 --> 01:23:21,109
Iraq and all you know some of these

2018
01:23:25,509 --> 01:23:22,309
other countries up there that he can

2019
01:23:27,039 --> 01:23:25,519
barely pronounce their names and he

2020
01:23:29,469 --> 01:23:27,049
really liked a couple of songs on the on

2021
01:23:30,759 --> 01:23:29,479
the CD and so he's home he says when

2022
01:23:33,009 --> 01:23:30,769
we're flying over the Atlantic we would

2023
01:23:34,599 --> 01:23:33,019
put your CD in and listen to it there's

2024
01:23:39,369 --> 01:23:34,609
something really kind of romantic about

2025
01:23:41,679 --> 01:23:39,379
that the neat part about it is it's

2026
01:23:43,659 --> 01:23:41,689
float it really you guys did a really

2027
01:23:46,419 --> 01:23:43,669
good job making it flow I mean it just

2028
01:23:48,429 --> 01:23:46,429
did it's like a story right yeah we try

2029
01:23:51,849 --> 01:23:48,439
to make a way it's really a story about

2030
01:23:53,770 --> 01:23:51,859
a spaceman who was lost on a deserted

2031
01:23:55,329 --> 01:23:53,780
planet and Neil and the only thing he

2032
01:23:58,479 --> 01:23:55,339
has to connect them back to earth this

2033
01:24:01,029 --> 01:23:58,489
is is his iPod so he listened to my same

2034
01:24:02,859 --> 01:24:01,039
12 songs to his iPod over and over again

2035
01:24:04,989 --> 01:24:02,869
and he dies and then a million years

2036
01:24:07,809 --> 01:24:04,999
later an alien finds and it reduces

2037
01:24:09,779 --> 01:24:07,819
music to the alien culture so there's a

2038
01:24:12,009 --> 01:24:09,789
little comic book involved in it and

2039
01:24:13,659 --> 01:24:12,019
made a lot of really good musicians the

2040
01:24:15,729 --> 01:24:13,669
guy who plays the sax on that is this

2041
01:24:17,229 --> 01:24:15,739
guy a MIDI Caston L used to play a Paul

2042
01:24:20,409 --> 01:24:17,239
McCartney he was in Paul McCartney's

2043
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:20,419
touring band and we don't play that yeah

2044
01:24:24,939 --> 01:24:22,249
my cool and great guitar player Richie

2045
01:24:29,979 --> 01:24:24,949
Kennedy also really good guitar player

2046
01:24:31,539 --> 01:24:29,989
and it was it was a real project to to

2047
01:24:32,630 --> 01:24:31,549
put it together Chris bilious is a

2048
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:32,640
producer it

2049
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:34,770
we recorded at Bristol Studios of Boston

2050
01:24:39,260 --> 01:24:35,970
right across the street from Berklee

2051
01:24:40,820 --> 01:24:39,270
School of Music and there's a lot of fun

2052
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:40,830
to put it together it took a long time

2053
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:43,890
to do it but there's one song on there

2054
01:24:48,230 --> 01:24:46,170
now it's been out for a few years in

2055
01:24:49,610 --> 01:24:48,240
this song silent running which was

2056
01:24:52,090 --> 01:24:49,620
originally recorded by Mike and the

2057
01:24:54,230 --> 01:24:52,100
mechanics that's up to like 10,000

2058
01:24:57,620 --> 01:24:54,240
streaming town loads I just saw the

2059
01:25:01,400 --> 01:24:57,630
other day 10,000 Street yeah and I make

2060
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:01,410
for streaming about 10,000 downloads I

2061
01:25:06,110 --> 01:25:04,410
made $7.98 and I have to split it with

2062
01:25:08,270 --> 01:25:06,120
the record company that's how business

2063
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:08,280
just don't want money in music anymore

2064
01:25:12,980 --> 01:25:09,810
strange Wow

2065
01:25:14,900 --> 01:25:12,990
well I remember that is just coming in

2066
01:25:18,170 --> 01:25:14,910
here for a second I remember that you

2067
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:18,180
gave me that that CT Mac last time I saw

2068
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:20,010
you and I played it in my car it was

2069
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:22,490
really really good and speaking of that

2070
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:25,110
Bobby we're talking about Timothy good

2071
01:25:30,380 --> 01:25:27,810
earlier he a lot of people may not know

2072
01:25:33,650 --> 01:25:30,390
this but he is a professional concert

2073
01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:33,660
violinist yeah yeah nice yeah he used to

2074
01:25:40,430 --> 01:25:35,310
play with the London Symphony Orchestra

2075
01:25:43,970 --> 01:25:40,440
and weekly gene and Igor Stravinsky all

2076
01:25:46,460 --> 01:25:43,980
kinds of people nice nice play with

2077
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:46,470
McCartney Julius Ellis and I'm proud to

2078
01:25:50,690 --> 01:25:47,910
know that I turned him on to his first

2079
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:50,700
Coronas with lime all right

2080
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:53,250
you Americanized him Yeah right yeah

2081
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:55,050
well humanize them I guess you'd say but

2082
01:25:57,710 --> 01:25:56,490
yeah we had to wait like 30 minutes they

2083
01:25:59,120 --> 01:25:57,720
didn't have a lime I think they actually

2084
01:26:01,040 --> 01:25:59,130
sent somebody out to the store to pick

2085
01:26:02,330 --> 01:26:01,050
some limes up all right you can't have

2086
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:02,340
the corona without the lines of it

2087
01:26:07,220 --> 01:26:05,130
anyways it's a great show of Mack I hope

2088
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:07,230
you write another book and stuff you did

2089
01:26:10,730 --> 01:26:08,730
a great job on an UFO book so I'd like

2090
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:10,740
to see another one well you two are

2091
01:26:16,490 --> 01:26:13,610
United that you're not going to okay

2092
01:26:18,740 --> 01:26:16,500
I'll tell you why earlier you just came

2093
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:18,750
in but earlier Mack was talking about

2094
01:26:23,150 --> 01:26:21,570
how much work it is that people just

2095
01:26:25,100 --> 01:26:23,160
don't realize how much work it is

2096
01:26:28,820 --> 01:26:25,110
putting together a book on UFO right

2097
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:28,830
does you have to how much easier it was

2098
01:26:35,810 --> 01:26:30,810
to write fiction it's actually do some

2099
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:35,820
research so you did that right yeah hey

2100
01:26:38,630 --> 01:26:38,130
thanks for calling Bobby thank you right

2101
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:38,640
no problem

2102
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:41,130
all right so anyone else is also welcome

2103
01:26:46,549 --> 01:26:45,690
to call in that number is 603 967 403 o

2104
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:46,559
you can also

2105
01:26:51,649 --> 01:26:49,050
type in at marty willis if you have a

2106
01:26:55,250 --> 01:26:51,659
question for our guests you can also put

2107
01:26:57,169 --> 01:26:55,260
that in the chat room your own chat and

2108
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:57,179
I'd love to have some questions for our

2109
01:27:03,799 --> 01:27:00,719
guests tonight and there may be some up

2110
01:27:06,349 --> 01:27:03,809
there Mac that I may have missed they go

2111
01:27:08,179 --> 01:27:06,359
pretty fast sometimes and someone was

2112
01:27:10,309 --> 01:27:08,189
talking about a sighting in Manchester

2113
01:27:12,889 --> 01:27:10,319
and you know it does seem like there is

2114
01:27:14,869 --> 01:27:12,899
a lot of site and in New Hampshire there

2115
01:27:18,500 --> 01:27:14,879
is a lot of sightings in New Hampshire a

2116
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:18,510
lot right yeah in what's unusual about

2117
01:27:22,399 --> 01:27:20,639
that is that young Pease Air Force Base

2118
01:27:24,770 --> 01:27:22,409
now is not what it used to be it's now

2119
01:27:27,079 --> 01:27:24,780
great it's a slightly commercial base

2120
01:27:28,429 --> 01:27:27,089
now and I think they just still why the

2121
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:28,439
refuel is out of there

2122
01:27:32,509 --> 01:27:31,199
that's right um yeah so and in and

2123
01:27:34,219 --> 01:27:32,519
that's about it really in New Hampshire

2124
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,229
and once again going to this idea that

2125
01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:36,719
you see lots of things near military

2126
01:27:43,069 --> 01:27:39,030
bases the it's not really any military

2127
01:27:45,829 --> 01:27:43,079
bases that I can think of large ones in

2128
01:27:48,339 --> 01:27:45,839
in New Hampshire or Maine unless you're

2129
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:48,349
really way up there on the border

2130
01:27:51,829 --> 01:27:50,010
Massachusetts the same thing you have

2131
01:27:54,589 --> 01:27:51,839
Otis Air Force based on the Cape and

2132
01:27:56,659 --> 01:27:54,599
West idea for space I think it is in the

2133
01:27:57,049 --> 01:27:56,669
middle of the state mm-hmm that's about

2134
01:27:59,629 --> 01:27:57,059
it

2135
01:28:01,939 --> 01:27:59,639
right right I know there's one in Maine

2136
01:28:04,329 --> 01:28:01,949
northern Maine way up near the border

2137
01:28:06,949 --> 01:28:04,339
where there's been some major UFO

2138
01:28:11,719 --> 01:28:06,959
dominance is that luring Lordships

2139
01:28:14,869 --> 01:28:11,729
actually yes yes yep and we have we've

2140
01:28:15,889 --> 01:28:14,879
had a guest on the on the show UFOs over

2141
01:28:18,169 --> 01:28:15,899
Maine

2142
01:28:22,309 --> 01:28:18,179
he just is publishing his second book

2143
01:28:26,540 --> 01:28:22,319
that should be out and so there are you

2144
01:28:28,339 --> 01:28:26,550
know the quite a few known cases also in

2145
01:28:30,529 --> 01:28:28,349
that state right

2146
01:28:32,750 --> 01:28:30,539
of course the allagash always comes up

2147
01:28:37,399 --> 01:28:32,760
and uh-huh that's one of the the big

2148
01:28:39,739 --> 01:28:37,409
main ones right right yes yeah so all

2149
01:28:41,359 --> 01:28:39,749
right where should we go next

2150
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:41,369
you talked about the Bridgewater

2151
01:28:47,359 --> 01:28:46,050
triangle now that I did have I had a

2152
01:28:50,540 --> 01:28:47,369
guest on that actually had that

2153
01:28:52,009 --> 01:28:50,550
documentary on that back basically

2154
01:28:56,020 --> 01:28:52,019
called the Bridgewater triangle I think

2155
01:28:58,339 --> 01:28:56,030
that's what the name of it was and so

2156
01:29:01,149 --> 01:28:58,349
what are some of the stories that you're

2157
01:29:03,919 --> 01:29:01,159
aware of from that area

2158
01:29:05,899 --> 01:29:03,929
well like some of the really strange

2159
01:29:07,939 --> 01:29:05,909
ones I should say that we at one point

2160
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:07,949
we were gonna do a live show from down

2161
01:29:11,929 --> 01:29:10,050
there we're gonna take the radio show

2162
01:29:14,179 --> 01:29:11,939
down there and do a live broadcast I'm

2163
01:29:17,299 --> 01:29:14,189
out in the middle of the middle of the

2164
01:29:21,049 --> 01:29:17,309
triangle it sounded good at the time but

2165
01:29:24,339 --> 01:29:21,059
I guess that the bridge why the police

2166
01:29:26,719 --> 01:29:24,349
you know for whatever reason they don't

2167
01:29:28,969 --> 01:29:26,729
encourage people going in there

2168
01:29:31,609 --> 01:29:28,979
especially at night I think there's been

2169
01:29:33,739 --> 01:29:31,619
like news crews who have wanted to go in

2170
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,749
there and you know they can't tell them

2171
01:29:37,219 --> 01:29:35,280
not to but I think they discourage them

2172
01:29:39,859 --> 01:29:37,229
so we would discourage pretty quickly

2173
01:29:41,239 --> 01:29:39,869
but you know we talked to someone early

2174
01:29:43,489 --> 01:29:41,249
on in the show

2175
01:29:46,879 --> 01:29:43,499
so it'd be a few years ago who they've

2176
01:29:48,589 --> 01:29:46,889
seen things like even like flying you

2177
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:48,599
know things that were described as

2178
01:29:55,100 --> 01:29:50,880
pterodactyls you like flying back so is

2179
01:29:59,509 --> 01:29:55,110
there you know swamp creatures Bigfoot

2180
01:30:00,830 --> 01:29:59,519
lots of UFO sightings and then yeah

2181
01:30:03,529 --> 01:30:00,840
there are stories there where people

2182
01:30:06,169 --> 01:30:03,539
would see a little kid like I'm a like

2183
01:30:08,029 --> 01:30:06,179
you know in a bunch of trees looking out

2184
01:30:09,169 --> 01:30:08,039
at them and they would try to go after

2185
01:30:11,389 --> 01:30:09,179
yeah I'm like I'm talking about like a

2186
01:30:13,250 --> 01:30:11,399
kid maybe six or seven years old calling

2187
01:30:15,290 --> 01:30:13,260
to them and you know they would try to

2188
01:30:16,850 --> 01:30:15,300
find the kid and couldn't find them and

2189
01:30:21,020 --> 01:30:16,860
could still hear their voice and stuff

2190
01:30:22,279 --> 01:30:21,030
really creepy stuff like that and so I

2191
01:30:24,379 --> 01:30:22,289
want to get down there you know I think

2192
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:24,389
that we should you bring the show down

2193
01:30:30,979 --> 01:30:27,630
there at some point exactly how we would

2194
01:30:33,589 --> 01:30:30,989
do the format I'm not sure but hey it's

2195
01:30:35,839 --> 01:30:33,599
right next door so why not you know yeah

2196
01:30:37,819 --> 01:30:35,849
that's right yeah that's a real

2197
01:30:40,909 --> 01:30:37,829
interesting idea yes I know there was up

2198
01:30:44,540 --> 01:30:40,919
there was some I think there was some

2199
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:44,550
Satanists there there was um you know

2200
01:30:50,689 --> 01:30:47,570
actually human abductions you know

2201
01:30:52,969 --> 01:30:50,699
kidnappings is what I mean and they

2202
01:30:54,589 --> 01:30:52,979
found I remember they found this house

2203
01:30:56,659 --> 01:30:54,599
with some weird things and it not a

2204
01:30:59,629 --> 01:30:56,669
house like the hot in the middle of the

2205
01:31:01,609 --> 01:30:59,639
woods yeah yes Gary the cuff in it and

2206
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:01,619
they had some clown sightings down there

2207
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:03,449
about a year ago to just to make it you

2208
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:06,239
know very on top yeah the the clown

2209
01:31:10,909 --> 01:31:08,130
thing is really bizarre isn't it right

2210
01:31:12,810 --> 01:31:10,919
yeah we covered that yeah we did about

2211
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:12,820
we would report on that

2212
01:31:16,590 --> 01:31:14,560
last last year right around this time

2213
01:31:20,460 --> 01:31:16,600
where people were seeing clowns

2214
01:31:22,650 --> 01:31:20,470
everywhere and it really kind of talked

2215
01:31:24,420 --> 01:31:22,660
to in fact we had a real clown on and we

2216
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:24,430
would dribbles the clown and we were

2217
01:31:28,140 --> 01:31:25,810
talking to him about what he thought

2218
01:31:31,230 --> 01:31:28,150
about it but it's kind of funny how

2219
01:31:33,420 --> 01:31:31,240
stuff like that multiplies so quickly

2220
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:33,430
you know because I think the first

2221
01:31:37,470 --> 01:31:35,290
reports where people suck clowns in a

2222
01:31:40,710 --> 01:31:37,480
forest in Ohio and then all of a sudden

2223
01:31:43,020 --> 01:31:40,720
people seeing clowns in Georgia and

2224
01:31:44,370 --> 01:31:43,030
Florida and studying and and then

2225
01:31:46,410 --> 01:31:44,380
there's a story that when we were doing

2226
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:46,420
that someone one of our research is

2227
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:50,050
Steve wood went back into some archives

2228
01:31:53,970 --> 01:31:51,850
and he found out that in in Newton

2229
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:53,980
Massachusetts which you know you know

2230
01:32:01,440 --> 01:31:56,530
about right it's it's let's say an

2231
01:32:04,110 --> 01:32:01,450
affluent part of the Boston area that

2232
01:32:06,630 --> 01:32:04,120
police pulled over a white van there in

2233
01:32:09,350 --> 01:32:06,640
the mid-80s and they were like six or

2234
01:32:11,550 --> 01:32:09,360
seven guys dressed like clowns in it and

2235
01:32:13,230 --> 01:32:11,560
I don't know whether they had I don't

2236
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:13,240
know what they had they had they were up

2237
01:32:17,330 --> 01:32:15,130
to something you know they had different

2238
01:32:20,430 --> 01:32:17,340
kind of paraphernalia and everything and

2239
01:32:23,490 --> 01:32:20,440
I forget that I think they held them for

2240
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:23,500
a while and you know and I guess

2241
01:32:27,810 --> 01:32:26,290
eventually let them go but it was like

2242
01:32:30,930 --> 01:32:27,820
the middle of the day in the middle of

2243
01:32:35,100 --> 01:32:30,940
the summer and no one ever really got to

2244
01:32:37,590 --> 01:32:35,110
the question why are abandoned in a van

2245
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:37,600
and in Newton Massachusetts of all

2246
01:32:41,070 --> 01:32:39,370
places they should have been in a mini

2247
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:41,080
coopers and that was or something yeah

2248
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:43,090
acting right a Mini Cooper right yeah

2249
01:32:47,670 --> 01:32:45,250
but yeah I would love to know the story

2250
01:32:51,150 --> 01:32:47,680
behind that story yeah hey we have a

2251
01:32:53,310 --> 01:32:51,160
caller coming in and I'm gonna join him

2252
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:53,320
to the call and I don't know why but I

2253
01:32:59,250 --> 01:32:55,920
can't here we go

2254
01:33:00,690 --> 01:32:59,260
hello caller this is Martin please

2255
01:33:04,590 --> 01:33:00,700
identify your first name and where are

2256
01:33:07,890 --> 01:33:04,600
you calling from this is Ryan from South

2257
01:33:12,030 --> 01:33:07,900
Carolina Oh Ryan you're the the caller

2258
01:33:14,970 --> 01:33:12,040
from before yes how are you yeah welcome

2259
01:33:16,020 --> 01:33:14,980
to the show a bit all right I hope I

2260
01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:16,030
didn't interrupt that we were in the

2261
01:33:20,940 --> 01:33:18,880
middle of the the clown story I don't

2262
01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:20,950
know I think just to know that's it we

2263
01:33:32,399 --> 01:33:28,950
I wanted to ask your guests since the

2264
01:33:34,979 --> 01:33:32,409
subject is a military and UFOs what

2265
01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:34,989
aren't his faults on the cash Landrum

2266
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:37,840
incident because I've always felt that

2267
01:33:46,050 --> 01:33:41,280
if there ever was a UFO sighting that

2268
01:33:49,169 --> 01:33:46,060
probably was a secret military deal it

2269
01:33:50,580 --> 01:33:49,179
was that water is false on that what is

2270
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:50,590
the incident again I didn't hear them

2271
01:33:56,459 --> 01:33:54,130
cap the cash Landrum that was on Texas

2272
01:33:59,310 --> 01:33:56,469
are you familiar with that particular

2273
01:34:00,240 --> 01:33:59,320
idea no okay well I'll talk about it a

2274
01:34:04,740 --> 01:34:00,250
little bit okay

2275
01:34:08,340 --> 01:34:04,750
I had Colby Lant Landrum on who was I

2276
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:08,350
can't remember maybe four or seven years

2277
01:34:16,020 --> 01:34:09,370
old at the time

2278
01:34:17,550 --> 01:34:16,030
okay and well no it's a yeah I can't

2279
01:34:21,540 --> 01:34:17,560
remember his age exactly but anyway I

2280
01:34:23,370 --> 01:34:21,550
had him on my show and I had someone

2281
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:23,380
that did some deep research and they

2282
01:34:28,770 --> 01:34:26,370
were co-hosting with me to ask him

2283
01:34:30,270 --> 01:34:28,780
questions he remembers the whole thing

2284
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:30,280
you know he remembers crawling

2285
01:34:35,959 --> 01:34:33,370
underneath the dashboard you know in the

2286
01:34:39,870 --> 01:34:35,969
heat that was coming in and all that

2287
01:34:42,060 --> 01:34:39,880
also of course he remembers his aunt and

2288
01:34:43,169 --> 01:34:42,070
his mother getting sick and all now I

2289
01:34:44,820 --> 01:34:43,179
remember yes

2290
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:44,830
knowing I'm familiar with the case this

2291
01:34:50,220 --> 01:34:47,170
is with it this really incredibly

2292
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:50,230
elaborate UFO chased these people down

2293
01:34:54,390 --> 01:34:52,810
the street and they were driving in a

2294
01:34:56,939 --> 01:34:54,400
car and the kind of auto and then the

2295
01:34:59,640 --> 01:34:56,949
the mother and the aunt got very sick

2296
01:35:01,020 --> 01:34:59,650
and yeah some kind of odd cancer or

2297
01:35:04,140 --> 01:35:01,030
something right right it was like a

2298
01:35:07,229 --> 01:35:04,150
diamond shape important yeah well yeah

2299
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:07,239
diamond diamond shaped craft and then

2300
01:35:13,380 --> 01:35:11,110
there were these choppers right

2301
01:35:15,870 --> 01:35:13,390
so by the way while we're on this topic

2302
01:35:18,419 --> 01:35:15,880
I had someone that listened to that show

2303
01:35:20,580 --> 01:35:18,429
oh I don't know maybe a year ago and

2304
01:35:22,860 --> 01:35:20,590
contacted me and said that he actually

2305
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:22,870
witnessed the whole thing in Texas and

2306
01:35:28,350 --> 01:35:25,570
gave some great details and so I

2307
01:35:29,820 --> 01:35:28,360
connected him to the researcher Kurt

2308
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:29,830
Collins who's looking into that right

2309
01:35:34,020 --> 01:35:32,050
now connecting them two together and I

2310
01:35:35,879 --> 01:35:34,030
haven't heard about what happened so

2311
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:35,889
it's sort of like a collaboration but

2312
01:35:42,450 --> 01:35:38,050
also

2313
01:35:44,450 --> 01:35:42,460
michael shap strats who like rat yeah

2314
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:44,460
yeah he does up you know military

2315
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:47,890
research he listened to the show he

2316
01:35:52,770 --> 01:35:50,170
contacted me right away and he said he's

2317
01:35:55,710 --> 01:35:52,780
a hundred percent certain that that was

2318
01:35:57,780 --> 01:35:55,720
a military craft hundred percent all

2319
01:36:00,150 --> 01:35:57,790
right he he's been on a show talking

2320
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:00,160
about the Hudson Valley sightings and he

2321
01:36:04,530 --> 01:36:02,170
is really good at explaining that whole

2322
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:04,540
situation with the Hudson Valley huge

2323
01:36:09,630 --> 01:36:06,490
triangles flying over the Taconic

2324
01:36:12,420 --> 01:36:09,640
Parkway hundreds of witnesses every

2325
01:36:13,710 --> 01:36:12,430
night for like a week or so I just

2326
01:36:16,290 --> 01:36:13,720
remember back to the case that you're

2327
01:36:18,890 --> 01:36:16,300
referring to how the two women you know

2328
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:18,900
got radiation poison and and that really

2329
01:36:24,660 --> 01:36:21,130
affected their lives and effect of this

2330
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:24,670
kid's life yet you had this really

2331
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:27,370
incredible description of this

2332
01:36:32,250 --> 01:36:30,250
fascinating UFO very detailed in these

2333
01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:32,260
helicopters that seemed to be either

2334
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:34,450
chasing it or escorting it or whatever

2335
01:36:39,060 --> 01:36:35,290
that's right

2336
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:39,070
crazy man yeah yeah so do you have any

2337
01:36:47,480 --> 01:36:43,170
other questions for our guest

2338
01:36:50,820 --> 01:36:47,490
just his opinion on it I mean it that

2339
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:50,830
anyway you know any anything like with

2340
01:36:56,490 --> 01:36:53,920
the Stevensville incident down at George

2341
01:37:01,110 --> 01:36:56,500
Bush's ranch yeah think it's called

2342
01:37:02,910 --> 01:37:01,120
Stephenville yep and where people have

2343
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:02,920
seen and in in the we've had Chris

2344
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:05,110
O'Brien on a show a number of times and

2345
01:37:10,500 --> 01:37:07,360
he has report about the st. Louis Valley

2346
01:37:14,490 --> 01:37:10,510
and Colorado with people see on a

2347
01:37:20,250 --> 01:37:14,500
frequent basis UFOs being chased by our

2348
01:37:23,010 --> 01:37:20,260
military still an equal number of

2349
01:37:25,170 --> 01:37:23,020
stories that people see our aircraft

2350
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:25,180
like escorting a UFO they'll be flying

2351
01:37:29,820 --> 01:37:27,850
along excited not chasing it and you

2352
01:37:32,460 --> 01:37:29,830
know and you say well wow what's what's

2353
01:37:34,410 --> 01:37:32,470
the difference what's you know why are

2354
01:37:37,460 --> 01:37:34,420
you chasing some and escorting others

2355
01:37:39,300 --> 01:37:37,470
and that case that you have written

2356
01:37:41,250 --> 01:37:39,310
that's what happened in the cache

2357
01:37:42,930 --> 01:37:41,260
Lanterman of these helicopters suppose

2358
01:37:44,460 --> 01:37:42,940
we were taking in escorting in or

2359
01:37:46,050 --> 01:37:44,470
whatever yeah or whatever you know when

2360
01:37:47,580 --> 01:37:46,060
you you you see this happening in the

2361
01:37:50,730 --> 01:37:47,590
sky and you say what is what's really

2362
01:37:50,939 --> 01:37:50,740
going on here and this there's a number

2363
01:37:52,469 --> 01:37:50,949
of

2364
01:37:54,180 --> 01:37:52,479
it's like that that you just can't put

2365
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:54,190
your thing around what could possibly be

2366
01:37:58,410 --> 01:37:55,690
happening here yeah

2367
01:38:00,439 --> 01:37:58,420
alright hey well thanks for the call hey

2368
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:00,449
thanks for taking it all right take care

2369
01:38:07,649 --> 01:38:05,440
okay yeah cases like that are really

2370
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:07,659
interesting now I have a friend up in

2371
01:38:14,370 --> 01:38:11,650
Canada that is a fellow appraiser we

2372
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:14,380
worked on an appraisal together and down

2373
01:38:21,390 --> 01:38:16,570
in Georgia big big huge appraisal

2374
01:38:23,669 --> 01:38:21,400
appraisal and I somehow had a

2375
01:38:26,279 --> 01:38:23,679
conversation and brought up the fact

2376
01:38:28,290 --> 01:38:26,289
that you know I'm interested in UFOs and

2377
01:38:29,009 --> 01:38:28,300
do a show on UFOs and I never know how

2378
01:38:32,759 --> 01:38:29,019
that's gonna go

2379
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:32,769
he absolutely have no idea and he said

2380
01:38:36,810 --> 01:38:34,510
yeah well he says I'll tell you about my

2381
01:38:38,489 --> 01:38:36,820
sighting I love when that happens

2382
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:38,499
because if someone's not really into the

2383
01:38:43,049 --> 01:38:40,449
topic that's actually gonna talk about

2384
01:38:46,529 --> 01:38:43,059
it and right yeah yeah yeah that's cool

2385
01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:46,539
yeah so he's up in Ontario Canada and he

2386
01:38:51,299 --> 01:38:49,360
had a party a house party and everyone

2387
01:38:53,129 --> 01:38:51,309
was out on the deck outside and out on

2388
01:38:55,229 --> 01:38:53,139
the patio and you know barbecue and all

2389
01:38:58,350 --> 01:38:55,239
that and all of a sudden they saw this

2390
01:39:02,699 --> 01:38:58,360
disc they heard an afterburner of a

2391
01:39:04,770 --> 01:39:02,709
military jet Canadian jet and so

2392
01:39:06,689 --> 01:39:04,780
everyone you know was drawn to the look

2393
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:06,699
up in the sky and they said it was a

2394
01:39:11,459 --> 01:39:09,130
perfect shaped disc just like a big huge

2395
01:39:15,870 --> 01:39:11,469
round thing just moving through the sky

2396
01:39:17,370 --> 01:39:15,880
and this jet chasing it and he said

2397
01:39:19,259 --> 01:39:17,380
everyone looked up and he says and this

2398
01:39:21,629 --> 01:39:19,269
was another thing he said nobody wanted

2399
01:39:23,580 --> 01:39:21,639
to really talk about it afterwards right

2400
01:39:25,319 --> 01:39:23,590
yeah bunny but he said he kept his eye

2401
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:25,329
on the newspaper day after day and you

2402
01:39:29,009 --> 01:39:27,130
never saw one single thing about it he

2403
01:39:31,859 --> 01:39:29,019
said right he said that was the most

2404
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:31,869
bizarre thing is that he said no no one

2405
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:34,090
reporter wasn't in the newspaper right

2406
01:39:38,489 --> 01:39:36,130
yeah yeah I mean that's crazy I mean

2407
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:38,499
down it in the Bahamas down there are

2408
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:41,170
tech which is the Navy's area 51 you

2409
01:39:44,009 --> 01:39:42,639
have a lot of people who are out there

2410
01:39:46,799 --> 01:39:44,019
round boat so you have a lot of

2411
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:46,809
vacationers and so on and so forth stuff

2412
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:48,610
goes on down there all the time people

2413
01:39:53,339 --> 01:39:50,650
see UFOs coming out of the water and

2414
01:39:54,810 --> 01:39:53,349
things never anything in the paper never

2415
01:39:57,870 --> 01:39:54,820
anything we forward it in the general

2416
01:39:59,160 --> 01:39:57,880
press you know who knows why you know

2417
01:40:01,739 --> 01:39:59,170
maybe some people just aren't that

2418
01:40:04,740 --> 01:40:01,749
interested but in my opinion you know

2419
01:40:06,540 --> 01:40:04,750
you look at look at the top rated movie

2420
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:06,550
so let's say the past 20 years a lot of

2421
01:40:11,460 --> 01:40:09,250
them are related to well like ET and an

2422
01:40:14,100 --> 01:40:11,470
Independence Day and why are the worlds

2423
01:40:16,770 --> 01:40:14,110
and people love this as entertainment

2424
01:40:19,500 --> 01:40:16,780
you think that the news media that

2425
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:19,510
because the the media in this country is

2426
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:22,330
just a 5 beyond any kind of saving in my

2427
01:40:26,670 --> 01:40:24,250
opinion but you would think that someone

2428
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:26,680
like on CNN or someone would put on like

2429
01:40:31,530 --> 01:40:30,400
a UFO special every week you know this

2430
01:40:33,480 --> 01:40:31,540
is what's happened because people

2431
01:40:35,130 --> 01:40:33,490
obviously want to learn about these

2432
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:35,140
things it's fascinating to a lot of

2433
01:40:39,570 --> 01:40:37,210
people what I ufo's offended fascinate

2434
01:40:41,010 --> 01:40:39,580
to everybody what could they be and

2435
01:40:42,930 --> 01:40:41,020
they've been around for so long yet we

2436
01:40:45,210 --> 01:40:42,940
don't have any real explanation for them

2437
01:40:46,980 --> 01:40:45,220
we watch movies about them we watch TV

2438
01:40:50,370 --> 01:40:46,990
shows the bottom we read books about

2439
01:40:52,770 --> 01:40:50,380
them yet the media seems to ignore them

2440
01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:52,780
which is I think find that fascinating

2441
01:40:58,890 --> 01:40:55,450
could be the other way around yeah well

2442
01:41:00,180 --> 01:40:58,900
when they do when a UFO you know story

2443
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:00,190
comes up in the news a lot of times

2444
01:41:05,250 --> 01:41:02,650
you'll hear the x-file music and yeah

2445
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:05,260
sure yes sort of being made fun of you

2446
01:41:10,050 --> 01:41:08,410
know not always though I do have to hand

2447
01:41:14,100 --> 01:41:10,060
it to some people that take it pretty

2448
01:41:17,250 --> 01:41:14,110
serious and I know the news station that

2449
01:41:19,500 --> 01:41:17,260
George Knapp works for in Las Vegas

2450
01:41:22,110 --> 01:41:19,510
whenever UFO just runs up there they

2451
01:41:26,580 --> 01:41:22,120
there take it solid they're not you know

2452
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:26,590
nowhere to kill there and right yeah so

2453
01:41:30,810 --> 01:41:29,110
I hate to do this to you on the air but

2454
01:41:33,930 --> 01:41:30,820
I have to take another call for about

2455
01:41:36,450 --> 01:41:33,940
two minutes is that possible right back

2456
01:41:37,980 --> 01:41:36,460
on well you know what let's up do you

2457
01:41:40,890 --> 01:41:37,990
have to grab the call right now so go

2458
01:41:42,570 --> 01:41:40,900
ahead and grab it and and I but but

2459
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:42,580
basically what I'm gonna do is we'll

2460
01:41:46,380 --> 01:41:44,800
just send the show okay you're sure I

2461
01:41:47,970 --> 01:41:46,390
don't want to give a few up here but no

2462
01:41:49,890 --> 01:41:47,980
I understand these things have the end

2463
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:49,900
of this so go ahead all right thanks a

2464
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:52,000
lot Mac you take care thank you I really

2465
01:41:57,450 --> 01:41:55,450
appreciate it and you know yeah I really

2466
01:41:59,520 --> 01:41:57,460
appreciate you come on our show sometime

2467
01:42:01,320 --> 01:41:59,530
all right thanks you and the let me know

2468
01:42:02,010 --> 01:42:01,330
you could dress up as like a clown oh

2469
01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:02,020
really

2470
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:04,030
I would love to thanks what all right I

2471
01:42:09,900 --> 01:42:07,090
think air yeah bye bye alright so I will

2472
01:42:11,850 --> 01:42:09,910
I will open the lines up if anyone up

2473
01:42:17,610 --> 01:42:11,860
the lines are wide open if anyone wants

2474
01:42:19,229 --> 01:42:17,620
to call in you're welcome to at 6:03 for

2475
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:19,239
I'm sorry 603

2476
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:23,530
967 403 Oh anyone wants to call in

2477
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:33,130
that's 603 967 403 Oh otherwise we're

2478
01:42:37,589 --> 01:42:35,920
going to have to call the show we're

2479
01:42:38,459 --> 01:42:37,599
gonna have to wrap it up here I'll give

2480
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:38,469
just a second

2481
01:42:47,489 --> 01:42:43,090
so again next week our guests our two

2482
01:42:51,319 --> 01:42:47,499
guests that is we have Randy Nickerson

2483
01:42:54,209 --> 01:42:51,329
who is making the film the Ariel school

2484
01:42:57,450 --> 01:42:54,219
incident and really looking forward to

2485
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:57,460
that and so he'll be coming on and he

2486
01:43:02,879 --> 01:43:00,880
also has he has a width witness of the

2487
01:43:07,950 --> 01:43:02,889
whole event now I've actually talked to

2488
01:43:09,989 --> 01:43:07,960
one of the witnesses already Emily Tripp

2489
01:43:15,060 --> 01:43:09,999
I want to say her name is I'm pretty

2490
01:43:16,649 --> 01:43:15,070
sure that's it she was very interesting

2491
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:16,659
and as a matter of fact she was at the

2492
01:43:25,410 --> 01:43:22,719
UFO Congress and I saw her there met her

2493
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:25,420
there in Phoenix and when she did her

2494
01:43:32,370 --> 01:43:28,449
story I will tell you she got pretty

2495
01:43:37,919 --> 01:43:32,380
emotional telling about what happened

2496
01:43:39,870 --> 01:43:37,929
and it was it was contagious everyone

2497
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:39,880
not everyone but a lot of people in the

2498
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:41,920
crowd got pretty choked up it's an

2499
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:44,530
amazing story the 65 I think it was

2500
01:43:50,069 --> 01:43:46,690
schoolchildren had that amazing

2501
01:43:52,919 --> 01:43:50,079
encounter and so she'll be coming up and

2502
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:52,929
it that's I'm not sure exactly how to

2503
01:44:01,620 --> 01:43:56,650
pronounce her name and I hope it's her

2504
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:01,630
it's sound its si el ma siddik looks

2505
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:04,449
like we have a call coming in hello

2506
01:44:10,379 --> 01:44:07,090
caller thanks for the call your first

2507
01:44:13,379 --> 01:44:10,389
name and where are you calling from I'm

2508
01:44:15,270 --> 01:44:13,389
Mike from Indianapolis theatre Oh Mike

2509
01:44:16,859 --> 01:44:15,280
in the chat room the Mike in the chat

2510
01:44:20,810 --> 01:44:16,869
room yep

2511
01:44:23,459 --> 01:44:20,820
hi Mike welcome to the show as you doing

2512
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:23,469
great great great to have you on make

2513
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:25,199
sure you have the herb mute on your

2514
01:44:29,609 --> 01:44:27,610
computer or you know the show we just

2515
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:29,619
don't want feedback I think I just heard

2516
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:31,840
a little bit but it sounds good now so

2517
01:44:34,180 --> 01:44:33,050
do you have a do you have a

2518
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:34,190
questioner you want to talk about a

2519
01:44:39,310 --> 01:44:37,850
sighting or anything sure I'll I'll tell

2520
01:44:44,110 --> 01:44:39,320
you about a sighting after what yeah

2521
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:44,120
absolutely go ahead okay um I eat in

2522
01:44:48,210 --> 01:44:45,890
abject ease so I've had a lot of

2523
01:44:51,310 --> 01:44:48,220
sightings but there's one in particular

2524
01:44:57,700 --> 01:44:51,320
sighting that blew away all the others

2525
01:45:01,690 --> 01:44:57,710
and it happened on March 10th 2009 I was

2526
01:45:04,390 --> 01:45:01,700
sitting in my bedroom I was getting

2527
01:45:07,870 --> 01:45:04,400
ready to go to bed it was about 10:15 at

2528
01:45:12,030 --> 01:45:07,880
night and the gray alien walked through

2529
01:45:15,910 --> 01:45:12,040
the law and they never done that before

2530
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:15,920
so it kind of shocked me and it turned

2531
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:19,040
and it looked at me and the whole

2532
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:21,010
communication was telepathy but it

2533
01:45:27,480 --> 01:45:25,040
basically said to me come with us I want

2534
01:45:29,770 --> 01:45:27,490
to show you something and I was like

2535
01:45:31,690 --> 01:45:29,780
that's really strange so my first

2536
01:45:33,850 --> 01:45:31,700
reaction was like in the first minute I

2537
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:33,860
was like ain't no way I'm going with

2538
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:38,930
this thing because I didn't know what it

2539
01:45:43,930 --> 01:45:41,330
wanted and I didn't know what it wanted

2540
01:45:46,120 --> 01:45:43,940
to show me but I thought about it for a

2541
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:46,130
while and I was like they have never

2542
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:48,410
done this before this is like really odd

2543
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:52,130
behavior for them so I was like I wonder

2544
01:45:58,840 --> 01:45:54,050
if I could miss out on something really

2545
01:46:01,540 --> 01:45:58,850
big so I finally decided I'm gonna go

2546
01:46:07,330 --> 01:46:01,550
with this thing so for the next eight

2547
01:46:12,670 --> 01:46:07,340
hours I was abducted fully awake the

2548
01:46:15,670 --> 01:46:12,680
entire time and my story - yeah pardon

2549
01:46:18,490 --> 01:46:15,680
me of what time of day was this because

2550
01:46:21,700 --> 01:46:18,500
this was the adduction started at 10:15

2551
01:46:22,350 --> 01:46:21,710
at night and it ended about 5:45 to 6:00

2552
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:22,360
in the morning

2553
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:27,370
uh-huh and how many years ago was this

2554
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:30,320
this was the exact date was March 10th

2555
01:46:34,630 --> 01:46:31,600
2009

2556
01:46:37,480 --> 01:46:34,640
okay and all right

2557
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:37,490
so are you go ahead and continue with

2558
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:38,810
your story and I've got a couple of

2559
01:46:46,540 --> 01:46:39,730
questions for you

2560
01:46:49,629 --> 01:46:46,550
sure so I went up with this thing

2561
01:46:54,339 --> 01:46:49,639
to a exude craft and then we went up to

2562
01:46:58,060 --> 01:46:54,349
a cigar-shaped craft and we flew out to

2563
01:47:00,479 --> 01:46:58,070
their homeworld and I'm standing on the

2564
01:47:02,830 --> 01:47:00,489
craft and I'm having a conversation

2565
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:02,840
there was two beings on the cross one I

2566
01:47:13,270 --> 01:47:04,730
called the commander and one was like

2567
01:47:18,839 --> 01:47:13,280
the subordinate and the commander in it

2568
01:47:22,780 --> 01:47:18,849
well sorry I was distracted fair sight

2569
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:22,790
we came out near their home world and

2570
01:47:29,020 --> 01:47:25,730
the home world had a docking ring around

2571
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:29,030
it like where all the cigar-shaped craft

2572
01:47:35,589 --> 01:47:32,570
landed it was a ring around their planet

2573
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:35,599
and I must have been there before

2574
01:47:40,060 --> 01:47:37,730
because all I did is I looked up I go oh

2575
01:47:42,069 --> 01:47:40,070
their homeworld and then I went back to

2576
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:42,079
the conversation I was having with this

2577
01:47:54,359 --> 01:47:48,170
war tonight but what ended up happening

2578
01:47:59,020 --> 01:47:54,369
is we exited the cigar-shaped craft we

2579
01:48:04,359 --> 01:47:59,030
went to a point in space and we got to

2580
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:04,369
this point in space we they initiated an

2581
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:07,040
out-of-body experience at me and me and

2582
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:10,880
it's matter and the the reason they told

2583
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:12,530
me that they took me is they wanted to

2584
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:14,960
show me something and what they wanted

2585
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:18,050
was they wanted my opinion on everything

2586
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:21,530
I could tell him about some species on

2587
01:48:26,799 --> 01:48:24,320
it on a ship and it was a ship

2588
01:48:33,629 --> 01:48:26,809
approaching their homeworld and I was

2589
01:48:36,850 --> 01:48:33,639
like it kind of reminded me of Stargate

2590
01:48:41,500 --> 01:48:36,860
the episode but I was like I'm nowhere

2591
01:48:44,589 --> 01:48:41,510
near as smart as Carter um but there was

2592
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:44,599
another reason why they wanted me and

2593
01:48:49,629 --> 01:48:46,610
that was I already knew one of the two

2594
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,639
species there was another abduction I

2595
01:48:55,450 --> 01:48:51,679
had a few years earlier where I had

2596
01:48:59,229 --> 01:48:55,460
encountered one of the two species I saw

2597
01:49:00,100 --> 01:48:59,239
I knew everything about them and what

2598
01:49:01,930 --> 01:49:00,110
ended up happening

2599
01:49:08,169 --> 01:49:01,940
they initiated an out-of-body experience

2600
01:49:10,330 --> 01:49:08,179
in me I remember fully conscious I like

2601
01:49:12,939 --> 01:49:10,340
even though I was a floating like sold

2602
01:49:16,689 --> 01:49:12,949
or whatever I have full memory of

2603
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:16,699
everything that happened me and we went

2604
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:18,290
onto this ship and I was like two

2605
01:49:23,979 --> 01:49:22,610
species on the ship so one species is

2606
01:49:27,820 --> 01:49:23,989
kind of like I would describe them as

2607
01:49:30,490 --> 01:49:27,830
the board they were thousands of species

2608
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:30,500
and then there was a master species that

2609
01:49:35,590 --> 01:49:33,199
was a black species that was ten feet

2610
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:35,600
tall its head was about three foot

2611
01:49:40,899 --> 01:49:38,810
around it had three fingers two two

2612
01:49:45,910 --> 01:49:40,909
fingers and then like a thumb but it was

2613
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:45,920
a claw like they can they the master

2614
01:49:58,120 --> 01:49:55,040
species was very much saw by sound they

2615
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:58,130
could hear you breathing if you had to

2616
01:50:03,550 --> 01:50:01,040
hold your breath for them not to hear

2617
01:50:06,370 --> 01:50:03,560
you I my opinion is they're probably

2618
01:50:09,010 --> 01:50:06,380
born in space but I was very familiar

2619
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:09,020
with the master species so I spent the

2620
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:10,810
entire time on the ship

2621
01:50:21,220 --> 01:50:15,920
studying the the species that the

2622
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:21,230
multiple species that that were the

2623
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:26,449
board and what ended up happening is I

2624
01:50:30,459 --> 01:50:29,210
went into one of these bodies and I got

2625
01:50:33,310 --> 01:50:30,469
the impression of kind of like a hive

2626
01:50:36,189 --> 01:50:33,320
minds but they knew I was there and

2627
01:50:39,340 --> 01:50:36,199
ended up shooting about 15 or 20 bodies

2628
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:39,350
out in the space and the grey alien got

2629
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:42,170
mad at me and we only had an hour to

2630
01:50:48,669 --> 01:50:46,880
study this thing and then I spent fifty

2631
01:50:51,910 --> 01:50:48,679
five minutes studying the board species

2632
01:50:54,399 --> 01:50:51,920
and then we went and for five minutes I

2633
01:50:54,879 --> 01:50:54,409
studied the master species up on the

2634
01:51:00,399 --> 01:50:54,889
bridge

2635
01:51:00,939 --> 01:51:00,409
screen that had a billion and I'm not

2636
01:51:04,930 --> 01:51:00,949
even joking

2637
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:04,940
a billion ships there's and when this

2638
01:51:11,859 --> 01:51:09,110
ship well after we got done studying

2639
01:51:13,330 --> 01:51:11,869
them they took me back to the egg shaped

2640
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:13,340
craft and then we flew back to the greys

2641
01:51:16,939 --> 01:51:14,130
homeworld

2642
01:51:18,649 --> 01:51:16,949
and we beat the other crap there this

2643
01:51:21,109 --> 01:51:18,659
craft when it approached this planet was

2644
01:51:24,530 --> 01:51:21,119
bigger than the planet it was massive

2645
01:51:29,180 --> 01:51:24,540
and what I saw with my own eyes was an

2646
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:29,190
aerial battle between the greys and

2647
01:51:36,649 --> 01:51:32,639
whatever this species that came to their

2648
01:51:40,129 --> 01:51:36,659
planet was I saw the destruction in the

2649
01:51:44,839 --> 01:51:40,139
grades homeworld they literally got

2650
01:51:46,910 --> 01:51:44,849
blown to pieces these the thing that was

2651
01:51:50,060 --> 01:51:46,920
going around they're playing it got

2652
01:51:53,089 --> 01:51:50,070
blown up every single time they would

2653
01:51:56,569 --> 01:51:53,099
fire the grades would it was like it was

2654
01:52:00,490 --> 01:51:56,579
bouncing off of a shield and every

2655
01:52:02,810 --> 01:52:00,500
single time the big ship would fire it

2656
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:02,820
was like one of their cigar-shaped craft

2657
01:52:07,339 --> 01:52:05,489
was blowing up every time we were on a

2658
01:52:09,919 --> 01:52:07,349
ship that was designated not to engage

2659
01:52:16,100 --> 01:52:09,929
there was a few ships that were like

2660
01:52:22,839 --> 01:52:16,110
back and so they basically ordered a

2661
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:22,849
retreat like everybody run and they

2662
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:26,010
brought me back to earth when we were

2663
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:31,290
coming back the to graze on the ship

2664
01:52:36,979 --> 01:52:33,449
with me actually got into an argument

2665
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:36,989
about whether or not to you throw me out

2666
01:52:43,550 --> 01:52:41,730
into space because they didn't want to

2667
01:52:46,879 --> 01:52:43,560
the commander didn't once you bring me

2668
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:46,889
back but the subordinate talked to him

2669
01:52:50,959 --> 01:52:49,650
and said you know he's going to die when

2670
01:52:55,010 --> 01:52:50,969
they get to his world so just let him

2671
01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:55,020
die there so they they probably back but

2672
01:52:59,450 --> 01:52:57,090
yeah on March 10th 2009

2673
01:53:03,020 --> 01:52:59,460
I witnessed the destruction of the great

2674
01:53:06,140 --> 01:53:03,030
homeworld well uh well hey we're right

2675
01:53:09,740 --> 01:53:06,150
near the end of the show Mike thanks for

2676
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:09,750
the callin and I thought the grace

2677
01:53:13,250 --> 01:53:11,489
weren't supposed to be emotional that's

2678
01:53:16,129 --> 01:53:13,260
one of the things everyone know he says

2679
01:53:19,580 --> 01:53:16,139
that is quite the story you have there

2680
01:53:22,459 --> 01:53:19,590
and let me just ask you this if you've

2681
01:53:24,890 --> 01:53:22,469
told the story before what is the type

2682
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:24,900
of reactions you get when you tell that

2683
01:53:36,700 --> 01:53:26,810
story

2684
01:53:39,100 --> 01:53:36,710
and I didn't tell her at the time now

2685
01:53:40,630 --> 01:53:39,110
what the two species look like I was

2686
01:53:46,590 --> 01:53:40,640
still kind of holding back their data

2687
01:53:50,350 --> 01:53:46,600
and she just she couldn't believe it

2688
01:53:53,650 --> 01:53:50,360
like that I was fully awake the whole

2689
01:53:56,350 --> 01:53:53,660
time yeah I mean firm for you actually

2690
01:53:58,290 --> 01:53:56,360
being there and the timing of when there

2691
01:54:01,180 --> 01:53:58,300
was actually destruction that's all

2692
01:54:04,870 --> 01:54:01,190
quite remarkable to say the least but I

2693
01:54:06,910 --> 01:54:04,880
thank you for the call oh no problem

2694
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:06,920
all right thanks Martin all right take a

2695
01:54:13,780 --> 01:54:11,570
guy fight alright everyone so thank you

2696
01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:13,790
so much for listening to the show and if

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01:54:18,130 --> 01:54:15,920
you got this far you're either listening

2698
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:18,140
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2699
01:54:23,350 --> 01:54:21,050
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01:54:24,850 --> 01:54:23,360
if you are a supporter thanks so much it

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01:54:29,250 --> 01:54:24,860
really helps us I actually had to get

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01:54:32,620 --> 01:54:29,260
another server for for the podcast

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01:54:34,410 --> 01:54:32,630
actually it's getting busier it's funny

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01:54:37,300 --> 01:54:34,420
it's getting busier almost by the week

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01:54:41,470 --> 01:54:37,310
which is a good thing so it's what they

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01:54:44,770 --> 01:54:41,480
call a gold-plated problem so everyone I

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01:54:46,740 --> 01:54:44,780
want once again we'll be back with Randy

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01:54:51,490 --> 01:54:46,750
Nickerson about the Ariel school

2709
01:54:53,620 --> 01:54:51,500
incident next week and and I think

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01:54:57,370 --> 01:54:53,630
that's about it we do have some great

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01:54:58,720 --> 01:54:57,380
shows lined up and I look forward to

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doing each and every one of them and